Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata vitatta

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (Magicj)

Fri, 29 Aug 2014 01:13:01 GMT

Old thread, but did you manage to have any success with these shrimp ?

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:17:32 GMT

Well after a long break with these guys, Im giving it another go.

8th Aug 2013 - Night of hatch

16 Aug 2013

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:24:33 GMT

Yup, and to add to the glory. I left the airline and water turned off on the parent shrimp tank and lost three of the adults. Its not my week for shrimp.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (EasterEggs)

Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:45:00 GMT

Ah, bummer!!!!

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:51:13 GMT

Well after all that effort the last larvae disappeared today.
I searched the tub and all that was left were a few moults.

No settled shrimp

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (luis a m)

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 12:53:52 GMT

No,the pp5 don´t shrink,they are just changed to the 5th pair of legs in the post larva.Which at first look somewhat clumsy
To catch post larvae,drop one or more short pieces of pipe in the tank.In the morning you pick it closing both ends with your fingers and empty it in a dish and check for shrimps.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:14:19 GMT

<Sarcasm>Cool that makes it simpler.</Sarcasm>

I'll keep an eye out for an invisible shrimpy looking outline, that shouldn't be to hard to see 12" below the surface in a black tub with thousands of NHBBS.

Thanks for the "help" (well its sort of help )

That's gold Jim, I had such a giggle reading that

Ps thanks for the advice.
Pps it must be invisibility rings as cloaks would get wet and then they wouldn't b able to swim

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (JimWelsh)

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:14:23 GMT

Originally Posted by CaptCrash

For those that have raised these before, how did you find them once they settled?

By find I mean spot?
Im debating moving them from the RBT into a wide flat container so that it will be easier to locate then once they settle. Does this sound like a good or really bad idea?

My thought was to provide 40 or 50 pieces of pipes for hiding locations for them and the larger the floor area of the container, hopefully the less aggression

Since you are so close to settlement, I wouldn't move them now. Lots of places to hide is a good idea. As far as spotting them, you are correct -- they get quite translucent as soon as they settle, but they should start to color up very quickly afterwards. At first, I knew they had settled simply because they started disappearing! Mine were in a 5.5 gallon glass tank with some pipefish fry at the time, but they were still pretty darn hard to see at settlement, even with all that visibility. What you're looking for is that shrimpy movement in the tub, more than the shrimp themselves, if that makes any sense. Pretend you're looking for shrimp wearing magic invisibility cloaks or rings or whatever, but they don't work perfectly. The antennae and edges of the carapace still can be seen, so you're looking for a shrimpy-moving outline of a shrimp.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata vitatta (CaptCrash)

Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:52:47 GMT

Day 35-37 depending on batch
They all seem to be growing and continuing to have changes

I have a few where the paddles on pp5 appear to be shrinking/reabsorbed. Im hoping that this is a good thing.
This only seems to be happening with the smaller larvae. The larger larvae just continue to grow.

I happened to collect the shrimp with a container that had a dead clarkii larvae in it, they quickly descided it was food and chased who ever was holding the dead larvae, a bit like a game of british bulldog but for lunch.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:47:37 GMT

Originally Posted by luis a m

It doesn´t look like boggessi,neither the adults nor the zoea.Isn´t vitatta more likely to find in Oz?.

Yup, I was doing some reading last week and it looks like I have been relying on the US clasifications. I ended up desciding on the species as they had green eggs and matched the general description when starting out with these guys.

But in doing some reading last week, I came across several references to vitatta being the variety that is avaliable in Australia. We cannot bring crustations or coral into Australia from other countries, so it turns out that L. boggessi is wrong.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (luis a m)

Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:19:52 GMT

Going well,nice development series.
It doesn´t look like boggessi,neither the adults nor the zoea.Isn´t vitatta more likely to find in Oz?.
You have Z9,when A2 reaches the fork of A1.
From Z7 onwards,larvae show 6 pairs of "walking legs";MP3 and the 5 pairs of pereiopods.
They don´t shed their paddles,they become the 5th pair of legs after meta.But they can easily lose them due to handling or tangling.This is not convenient,as they must lose energy growing them back.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (EasterEggs)

Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:08:52 GMT

Very cool! I wouldn't move them! I've heard people say they've seen settled shrimp standing on the airline tubing. I've also heard people say they transfer each one as it settles to growout tank. I'm not sure if that it a good thing to do or not.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:42:07 GMT

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:38:43 GMT

These guys seem to be growing well and clearing NHBBS very quickly now.

The majority are approx 7mm in length, thats about 40% in two days (they are different shrimp being measured so maybe todays is just long, I try to catch the largest most developed from my 200ml collection container). Both measurements are from antanae tip to tip of tail not including paddles.

I really like the detail of the tail

Today the pleopods are much larger and bifurcated (two parts).

Hopefully by tonight/tomorrow they will be at Z9 with the pleopods being complete.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (EasterEggs)

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:06:34 GMT

Yes, I would agree with you! I guess you still have some waiting...11 zoea stages before settlement.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Sun, 22 Jul 2012 03:15:25 GMT

I think I have been able to find the appropriate Zoea stage. I think that they are at Z8.
I am basing this on the detail in Luis's RC thread http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851511

These pictures from today show development of the pleopods, they are not yet complete, so the shrimp are not yet at Z9, hence Z8.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:48:07 GMT

Originally Posted by EasterEggs

Thanks, airstone or no airstone? Maybe I will try BRT for the shrimp when a BRT frees up.

Yes there is an airstone. Its just a regular one, but it creates reasonably small bubbles. I gave up on the wooden ones, they kept blocking or breaking.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (EasterEggs)

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:49:29 GMT

Thanks, airstone or no airstone? Maybe I will try BRT for the shrimp when a BRT frees up.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (CaptCrash)

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:29:30 GMT

Leaning against the side of the RBT at the bottom.
I use a cloths peg as a clip to hold the air line, so it cannot fall out.

Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi (EasterEggs)

Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:06:35 GMT

Hmm, interesting. You have an airstone in there too? How is it positioned?