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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:13 PM
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I moved this pair to a large tub with a bunch of LR piled on one end and the Seagrass and sandbed on the other. I did get them to spawn as I found two small cardinals in the a connected tank in Dec of 2010. However I ended up losing the pair most likely to aiptasia that started to overrun the tank.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:53 PM
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Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:45 PM
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Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Monday, December 13, 2010 8:33 AM
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Looking good in there, Chad. My tubs never look that nice, I'm afraid.
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Monday, December 13, 2010 11:48 AM
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Except for all the aiptasia and bubble algae!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Sunday, December 26, 2010 4:15 PM
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Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Monday, December 27, 2010 8:58 AM
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Last night just before lights out I decided to go down and take one more look in that tub.. This time I didn't turn any of the room lights on and moved very slowly up to the tank. I stayed back a bit so the light over the tub didn't shine directly on me and sure enough under the eggcrate there was a large adult Bangaii! As soon as I got close enough that the light shined on me so that I was visible above the water it darted away into the rock again and was gone. So it appears that the parents are still in there and by the looks of the one I saw eating quite well. It's important to note that the only food I have been throwing in the tub is pellet food which they ARE NOT eating. I have never seen them take the pellet food and really for that matter don't even see them when feeding. So they are living solely off the pods and worms that are naturally occuring in the tub.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Monday, December 27, 2010 8:09 PM
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Stopped at the LFS this evening and got some frozen brine shrimp. Since they don't have a 200 gal hunting ground any more I figure I should try to feed them something. When I got home I noticed that only two of the smaller ones were still in the isolation chamber and I could only see one outside of it. After a quick scan I was horrified to see one of the little ones in the tank below swimming just inches away from a carpet anemone and a 4" Clarkii clown. Luckily I was able to quickly catch him out without incident and I dug up an even finer strianer for the overflow and some adapters to install it. I hope to never have to see that again! Anyways back the feeding....I threw in a few small bits of the forzen brine shrimp and watched what happened. The older two went right after the full size pieces with out problem. The younger ones showed interest but the size was an issue. I took another small bit and smooshed it up with my fingers in the water to create some smaller bits and then I did see them strike at the little pieces. So at least they are getting something to eat. Just need to keep things going.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Saturday, January 1, 2011 10:37 PM
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I'm down to three of the small ones now. One disappeared probably into the overflow(I had to make some more modifications) and I found another dea on the bottom of the tank a few days later. I'm bound and determined to find a protocol for these guys that does not require the culturing of any food. Right now I'm feeding them just Otohime A and frozen cyclopeeze 3 times a day. They are in a tank with a pretty decent amount of LR and the heavy feedings are helping the pod population in the tank which I'm certain the babies are making use of.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Sunday, January 2, 2011 9:08 AM
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The tub that I had going was crazy. I would find bristle worm larvae and others in the plankton all the time. The tank did get some natural sunlight and certainly had plenty of algae--of the gross variety--going. Algae seems to be key. All the little creatures survive in, around, and by consuming it. My suggestion would be to set up a fish-only with LR tub for them and let the algae go nuts. The LR will supply the food cultures and the algae will supply filtration and food for the kids.
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Friday, January 7, 2011 2:54 PM
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So far so good. I still have the three little ones and other than whatever pods they are finding in the tank I'm only feeding them a diet of Otohime A and frozen Cyclopeeze. So far so good. I'm getting ready to shut down the tanks in the basemenet and will be moving them to the upstairs display after the weekend. I'm also going to need to move the brood stock up there which I'm not thrilled about because I'm going to need to get them back out come spring when I get things back up and running down there.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Friday, January 7, 2011 3:00 PM
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Otohime A?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Friday, January 7, 2011 3:03 PM
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Not sure what your asking? Are you asking what Otohime is or are yu surprised I'm feeding it to Bangers?
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Friday, January 7, 2011 3:04 PM
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Yes
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Friday, January 7, 2011 3:23 PM
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Otohime is pretty decent fish food, available graded for size at sizes that are significantly smaller than regular fish food. Reed's sells it. You can get basically the same thing if you take a decent pellet food, pulverise it, and run it through sieves of various sizes. That's a lot of work, though. (BTW, Oto A seems really small for Banger larvae. Are they taking it well?)
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Friday, January 7, 2011 6:26 PM
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Yeah it is on the small size, but the little guys are eating it. If you look at it in the water it is about the size of a small copepod. B might be better in the near future I'm sure but when I had the Clarkii larvae I bought the big bag of the Otohime A so I have plenty of it.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:46 PM
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Well I fear that I've lost my babies I returned from our weekend vacation and was not able to find any of the babies in the tank. It is possible that all or some are still in the tank somewhere but I threw all sorts of food at the tank when I got home last night and never saw any of them.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:10 PM
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Too bad. Sorry, Chad. I hope some make it.
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:40 PM
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So far no luck.. I left the vortech on while I was gone which probably pureed the poor little guys.. It's also possible that they went over the overflow. I'm feeding the parents more heavily than before, which isn't hard since I wasn't really feeding them at all. Hopfully I'll get another spawn soon and this time I'll be able to get documentation of the event.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon kauderni (Banggai Cardinal)
Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:07 PM
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Sorry to hear that you lost them Chad! Good luck getting another spawn.
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