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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:30 PM
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The picasso pair are in a smaller tank, swimming around, and have discovered the clay pot. I am trying to come up with names for them - but not sure who is who yet, so for now... they will be referred to as "The Picassos" (although I already have a name for the one I believe to be the male, lol) So- came home with the intent on worrying, and they are happy. The one w/the issue is looking better- no white things jutting out of him, and actually he is pooping more? (weird to just type that, but if any of you were here in conversation w/me I would have brought that up.... just in case it means something, like whatever was affecting him is 'leaving his system?) Not sure if it means anything at all. But he is swimming around, looking great - and I am so relieved that it doesn't look like I will have to think of losing him. Ok---- (exhale) ... on to a new question: At what age would you think they are 'ready' to mate/breed? 6 months? 1 year? The way they act I SWEAR they have been sneaking peeks at my adult pair, "doin' the do" , lol... because they mimic it... right down to the spawning dance! (will try to get it on video, as I KNOW this is not what is happening, but it is still rather comical to watch at their age Also... for picasso owner/breeders...... the marking on the right cheek... the 'little flap' that looks like a turkey 'waddle' ... is that characteristic of the breed? I have seen a few, not many, with it. But one of mine have it... so cute
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:01 PM
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How about Pablo and Paloma? I believe that they can be sexually mature in less than 1.5 yrs. Whether they are, or not, will remain to be seen. Not sure about the turkey thing, doesn't sound right, got pix?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:09 PM
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Somehow I missed this thread before That really, really looks like Lymphocystis to me. I've had it on Angels and Butterflies in the past. Usually it appears while in QT after you've had them a week or so. It's a viral infection and typically it happens when a fish gets stress and their immune system is weakened. There isn't any meds for it you just do pretty much what you are doing. Feed them a good mixed enriched diet, keep stress to a minimum and they will get through it.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:26 AM
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Thanks Chad- yes, will continue to keep them in a separate tank for the time being, no tank mates, no sand. (although the only other 'mates they had were a few baby hermit crabs and a peppermint shrimp , a couple turbos... nothing that would have caused them stress, so I do not know really why it happened. But will continue with the feedings/supplements. Tal- those are cute! I am looking for a Greek (female) name at the moment. I have chosen Spiros for the male Good and strong spirit (also can translate into 'basket' which hopefully means there will be plenty of eggs hahaha But I may use P & P for my next pair, I have a search going on Looking for something that has a better success rate than my hybrids - to see how much easier it is to raise the young. Will get a pic of the 'flap' and post
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:44 AM
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One of the best treatments I have found for treating ailments such as this is amoxycillin. It's an antibiotic but it is very strong. I pull open the capsule and add a very small amount to the food. Literally 10-20 of the tiny grains, its almost like a powder with larger grains in it. I crush it up and target feed it to the affected fish. Its much more effective than liquid tank treatments and doesn't effect the filter bacteria if used in this way. I got one capsule from the vets and it will probably last years! I wouldn't however recommend you buy this on the internet, I always talk to my vet even though he's knows nothing about marine fish he understands the drugs and their capabilities and limitations. He was also very interested in how I got on with it.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:25 AM
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This is a viral infection though and not a bacterial one so antibiotics won't help at all.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:58 AM
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Oh ok I see. Should have read the thread more closely. Would only be useful in that case if a secondary infection occured.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:47 AM
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Which is certainly possible and some might say even likely with Lympho. The virus does some damage to the skin and creates the opportunity for a secondary infection so it doesn't hurt to have some antibiotics on standby.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cmpenney
Which is certainly possible and some might say even likely with Lympho. The virus does some damage to the skin and creates the opportunity for a secondary infection so it doesn't hurt to have some antibiotics on standby. *What type of damage are we talking about? There is nothing visible - as the white things have now 'disappeared' since being moved to the new tank, so what exactly should I be on the look out for? Discoloration in skin? Lost scales? Anything in particular? Hmm.... gonna put his lil guy in a bubble
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:35 AM
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Well if everything goes well then you will see exactly what you have seen. As the tufts vanish you see health skin and scales underneath. With bad infections the tufts can get larger and create small lesions on the skins which can get infected.IF that happens you see red areas and/or swelling at the site. From the looks of things you are probably past the worst of it and aren't going to have anything to worry about. Don't mean to scare you
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:30 PM
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Tufts have vanished - check. Healthy skin and scales - check check. Good eating habit and swimming around....check check check! Whew! So happy this was not as bad as it looked from this side. I think I will leave them in this tank for a couple of weeks-to a month, then move them to a 20 gal set up just for them- for more room. I did take a video, but it is a bit 'cloudy' as I had just fed. So will do a better one to update. Here is a pic of something similar to what I am referring to...the turkey waddle lol! On the side of the cheek, where the coloration does a dip down the face... looks like a sideburn coming out of the head stripe? Is that a marking most have?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:25 AM
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Elvis Fish????
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:45 PM
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Ok, by "turkey waddle" I thought you meant a flap of skin, not coloration. Yeah, I get makings like that fairly often. It's fun to see what comes out of each batch.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:27 PM
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Lol! Sorry, should have referred to it as an Elvis marking, that fits WAY better than a turkey waddle, I am enjoying watching them change- they seem to have similar markings coming in, similar patterns, although I can still tell who is who- from what I am hoping to be male/female... and they have cute little "freckles" on the top fin/back tail. One has a white top fin, while the other has black, so that's cool as well
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:16 AM
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Nice to see it clearing up Michelle
Originally Posted by Chelle's Ocean
I am looking for a Greek (female) name at the moment. Aphrodite : Greek goddess of love, beauty, fertility. Chris
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:26 AM
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Oh I think that would be cute....Spiros & Aphrodite Thanks Chris How could you go wrong with a name like that? The babies are bound to be incredibly gorgeous, hahaha
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Monday, June 13, 2011 1:35 PM
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Ok guys....what gives? I have moved my Picassos BACK into the biocube, (because that is where I want them... avoids jumping... safe, contained unit, etc) but I have had them in the biocube (twice now, this being the 2nd attempt yesterday), and they react so negatively toward it? No clue. The xenia? The sand? I have no idea. Parameters are in check with what they were in (because I actually took and swapped out the tank water and all from the tank the Picassos were in and the tank the Occys were in..even swap) But they dig their fins in the ground (lol) and create a fish-tantrum! They remain up at the top of the water level, they refuse to go down, they really don't like it.... I have no idea why? The occy's were in there previously, (and loved it) and before that- the picassos. What the heck is the P's issue with a biocube? I am thinking the lid? As I don't have lids on my 20L's...(hence why I wanted to swap out the two pairs). I am considering moving them back to the 20L , and just egg crating the top until I can find a lid... but seriously... there is nothing wrong with the biocube, excellent conditions... I think they are just trying to give me a hard time since things are going so good with them, lol! Any ideas?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Monday, June 13, 2011 4:44 PM
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Chelle, Funny you should mention they stay at the top of the tank. When I collected my picassos I was told they always stayed in the top right corner of the tank. When I got them home thats exactly where they spent 90% of their time. They were perfectly happy and cleaned the mastic strip constantly in that area of the tank so I don't think its anything to worry about. Having said that my male jumped yesterday whilst I had the netting off the top and didn't notice until it was too late! I would give them time just to settle in.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Monday, June 13, 2011 5:23 PM
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My juvenile Picassos spend more time near the bottom too.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Percula]
Monday, June 13, 2011 8:03 PM
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Thanks guys... yeah it is weird, they do like the top corner.. I just am nervous since they are still small enough to go over the edge into the overflow... not quite chubby enough not to worry, lol! Odd, though to mention... in the 20L..they stayed on the bottom...hmmm. peculiar little fishies... Soooooo I am pleased (fingers crossed!) to think I have grade A's... will be posting a pic... but would like some comments on their marking thus far if anyone feels like chiming in They still have a lil way to go, as their black is coming in... but it is cute to see they 'almost' mirror each other in markings - except on one the dorsal fin is black, the other is white... but they have the same markings/freckles on the tails, lol, too cute!
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