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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:11 PM
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Sadly, Thin Man is dead. Thin female still eats and yet is still thin. Pair one are rather plump looking with the female having that particularly gravid plump look about her. She was making some pokes at the gravel that resemble the pokes that Matt's female made when she was preparing to spawn. I guess I getter get that spawning mop made real soon. I am not sure what to do with Thin Female. If I can fatten her up I may give her back to the store i got her from, so they can sell it as an acclimated fish. They may be able to get me another male, but if Pair One spawns for me, I won't need a Pair Two. I suppose it would be good to have a backup pair, but I don't anticipate being able to sell a whole bunch of these fish should I be able to raise them. ( I hope that sentence comes back to haunt me.)
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:47 PM
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Keep Thin Female. Absolutely keep it. You never know if/when a spare female will come in handy. Sorry to hear about thin male, but you are still at a better success rate by 5% than me Sadly, the one thing I failed to mention - separate QT for each fish. With Thin Female and Thin Male both being hungry, if Thin female was better off, her presence (and presumably some aggression) may have pushed thin male over the edge. Totally my fault for not thinking to mention it in our conversations...yes, it's in my article, but I neglected to remember to suggest that. You can put thin man on me.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:28 PM
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None of these fish are showing aggression. They are positively nice to each other. I think Thin Female looked sad this evening, without Thin Man. ( Anthropomorphosizing, shameful, sorry.) You think I should separate Pair one if they are getting along and are fat and happy? Also thinking about putting a sacrificial ocellaris in there with Thin Female to : a) make sure she understands what food is. If she sees the clown eating something it may give her ideas. b) give her something to enrich her environment. Solitary confinement is never a good thing. I have a lot of ocellaris, and I can spare one if something bad happens in this quaranteen period.
<message edited by KathyL on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:58 PM>
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:02 AM
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Ocellaris might not be a bad idea because you can overfeed to compensate if the Ocellaris starts hogging all the food. I have sneaking suspicion that the relationship between the Thins wasn't as cordial as you suspected. A hungry filefish is a mean filefish. I would NOT separate your fat and happy pair since they are fat, happy and eating. But in hindsight, I *might* have separated the thin ones so each fish could feed at its own pace. I found that separation trumped the "teaching" effect. Focus on those foods that the Thin Female WILL eat, and stuff her full of them. As John Coppolino put it to me recently, early feeding of "picky eaters' like these (he was talking Angelfish) isn't about calorie quality, it's about calorie quantity.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:36 AM
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I added an ocellaris to each of the tanks. They seem fine with it. While feeding their usual fare, I tried some Otohime C1. They loved it! This will make my life easier, if I can autofeed them pellets during the day! Thin Female is still eating well. I suspect that I never saw aggression with Thin Female because, while she is still thin, she was always eating. So not actually hungry. Also, I think it is good to have a fish that is feeding in with a fish that is learning to feed, so that there is a constant example of what to do. I think the ocellaris will help to keep the tanks clean, as they will eat any excess food. Pair One are still Fat and Happy. Perhaps that should be their new names. :0
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:30 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that you lost Thin Man, Kathy. Sounds like he just never picked up on the clue.
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Friday, July 29, 2011 5:23 PM
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Ehh, he never really ate well. But, three out of 4 ain't bad. My store is going to try to get another pair in and train it for me. We'll see. Thin female and her new friend the ocellaris are seeming like good buddies. They hang out together. The other ocellaris in the Pair One tank with Fat and Happy is a good neighbor as well. I think this was a good decision so far. Solitary confinement is a bad thing for people and for fish, I think. I've made a template and have ordered some new glass lids cut for this pair of tanks. Previously and presently they are covered with a hodge podge of glass and plastic. The new covers will accomodate the returns, the clamp for the powerhead,and a hole for the autofeeder. And it will prevent losses from jumping. I can't wait until they are ready!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Friday, July 29, 2011 9:18 PM
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I fed them some floating pellets this evening. All learned to suck them off the surface! Smart fish.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Monday, August 1, 2011 5:03 PM
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Now both tanks have a feeder with Otohime C1 to give them 4 small meals a day while I'm at work. I am still feeding them shaved frozen PE mysis and a little shaved Ocean Nutrition Formula One frozen cube, and nutramar ova, morning and evening. I also made a spawning mop on Saturday and they completely ignore it. I am tempted to find some gracilria and tie to a piece of PVC
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Monday, August 1, 2011 7:27 PM
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Love and War: First time I saw some aggression: I got some browned out acros from a local store and the pair started to fight over them. The male,Happy, sending the female, Fat, to the corner. No actual damage. You never saw a more devoted friend than the little black clown is to Thin Female. He goes wherever she goes, and they are never more than an inch apart.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Monday, August 1, 2011 7:29 PM
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Love and War: First time I saw some aggression: I got some browned out acros from a local store and the pair started to fight over them. The male,Happy, sending the female, Fat, to the corner. No actual damage. You never saw a more devoted friend than the little black clown is to Thin Female. He goes wherever she goes, and they are never more than an inch apart.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Monday, August 1, 2011 11:10 PM
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Kathy, they only time they'll show interest in the spawning mops is when they're actually in spawning condition and actually spawning. I'm going to stick my my instincts - the spawning mops WILL work, especially if they are the ONLY suitable substrate. But you have to have 4 or more so you can rotate them out daily.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:01 AM
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I don't understand. Why 4? Couldn't you take them in and out daily with 2?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 7:05 AM
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I takes a couple of days for the eggs to hatch.
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 8:48 AM
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Yup 50+ hour incubation time. So the mop you pull on Wed should hatch Friday, and then you'll want Saturday to maybe clean it so you can put it back in when you pull one on Sunday. The whole reason to get in such a rotation is so you never actually have to know they spawned, you'll just get the eggs whenever they do. While my pair did spawn daily, it didn't start that way. The rotation would catch it.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, August 4, 2011 7:11 PM
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When given a choice, Thin Female seems to prefer the Otohime floating at the surface, to shaved mysis in the water body. She is thriving on it, though. I could not detect a ridge of skeleton today that I've seen on her since the beginning. Fat and Happy continue to do well.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, August 4, 2011 7:50 PM
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Go Kathy! I'd proud of you, and your fish.
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Friday, August 5, 2011 1:29 AM
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Thanks Andy! I'm going!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:22 AM
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All 3 doing well. Fat and Happy seem to have permanently bulging tummys, not too much, but just right. Thin Female is no longer thin, and sporting a bulge of her own. Otohime, YAY!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Oxymonacanthus longirostrus]
Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:04 AM
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Nice to hear. Now we need new photos!
--Andy, the bucket man. "Not to know the mandolin is to argue oneself unknown...." --Clara Lanza, 1886
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