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Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata vitatta
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:06 AM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system General Species: Lysmata vitatta (was listed as L. boggessi in error) Social Structure: Large Group 25 shrimp, 15 are large/adult Size of Individuals: Range from 1/2" to 1.5" Age of Individuals: Unknown Date added to Tank: October 2011 Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: Breeding setup approx 1000L total. Tank 380x610x390mm 67L 17.5US Gal Substrate Details: None Filtration Details: Skimmer, UV, Macro Algae, Live Rock Water Changes: 100L fortnight Water Temperature: 27.1C Lighting: Power Compact Lighting Cycle: 7am to 7:45pm Other Tank Inhabitants: Black and White Ocellaris Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: Spectrum Thera A+, Spectrum Salt H20 flakes, Enriched Brine Shrimp, Mysid shrimp, Marine Green, Home Made Mash (prawn, pipi clam, white bait, squid, garlic, norrie etc). Occasional live brine shrimp Feeding Schedule: Morning and night. Pellets followed 10 minutes later with frozen food. Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: Unknown Spawn Time of Day: Unknown Dates of Consecutive Spawns: Unknown (very regular) Courtship Details: Unknown Egg Size: very small less than 0.5mm Egg Color: Green Egg Count: unknown Hatch Details Hatch Date: 10/27/2011 Hatch Time of Day: 10:30pm (lights were left on till 9:45pm # Days after Spawn: unknown Larvae Description: small white critters that are very attracted to light. Movement varys, with some moving in straight paths, others appear to jump from position to position. Others still seem to spin very rapidly. Larval Tank Details Temperature: 26C Size of Larval Tank: 50L Substrate Details: None Other Tank Decor: Heator Filtration Details: water change and air stone Lighting: Power Compact Lighting Cycle: 6am to 10pm Water Changes: variable Larval Feeding Details Food Types: Rotifers raised on Reed Rotifer Diet. Greenwater acheived by tinting the water with Reed Nannocholoropsis, about 2ml. Baby Brine Shrimp within 4 hours of hatch. 1ml of AmGuard for ammonia control daily. Feeding Schedule: morning, afternoon and night depending on food remaining in RBT Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: Days after Hatch: Date of Settlement End: Description of Fry: Grow-Out Tank Details Temperature: Size of Grow-Out Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Size at Transfer: Age at Transfer: Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Additional Information (No Pictures or Videos in the Section Please) Miscellaneous Information: Additional Spawns: S = Date of Spawn H = Date of Hatch S 03/11/12 S 01/02/15 Note: 07/24/2012 Thread changed from Lysmata boggessi to Lysmata vitatta. On doing more research it became apparent that Lysmata boggessi are not avaliable within Australia. The local variety is Lysmata vitatta. You will be required to provide photographic evidence in this thread of each event submitted for the MBI Program. If your thread does not contain these photos the MBI Committee will not be able to approve your reports.
<message edited by CaptCrash on Monday, January 19, 2015 10:47 AM>
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:12 AM
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Adults with Eggs Day 1 about day 4
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:54 AM
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Very nice photos!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:46 AM
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Thanks, it was a challenge. I used a Canon 50D with an MP-E 1-5X lens, ring light/flash, macro extension rings and tripod. The net result, is that focus is acheived by leaning on the desk and varying my weight on the desk (fractions of a millimeter). Its a bit finicky To slow the shrimp down, I put it in the freezer for about 10 seconds in a drop of water. This chilled the slide but did not freeze the water. I was then able to take photos and on returning to water appeared it to be ok.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCrash
I used a Canon 50D with an MP-E 1-5X lens, ring light/flash, macro extension rings and tripod. The net result, is that focus is acheived by leaning on the desk and varying my weight on the desk (fractions of a millimeter). Wow! I didn't know a person could photograph such tiny things with a handheld camera. They are very good photos! How have you been doing with the boggessi? Mine didn't seem to eat rotifers. I use NHBBS, but I haven't seen able to get past 11 or 12 dph.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:56 AM
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Thanks for the comments EasterEggs!. Im not really getting that far with the boggessi at the moment. I have got them to about the same stage as you. Once they get to 10-12 dph, im finding that the prey becomes the hunter and in about a day, I have brine shrimp but no boggessi. I think that I have been adding too many brine shimp and they are growing faster than the boggessi. This time round I am going to remove the uneaten brine every 48 hours and cut back a bit on the amount of live I am adding. I added some Rots, to see if that would help last batch. This time I did add some (probably 2000 all up). If removing the brine after 48 hours goes well, I will try using 50% frozen ones from my excess for the next batch and see if that helps.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:00 AM
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Here are the latest two spawns. These are 4dph and 3dph (in the same RBT) Sorry for the picture quality, but it gives an idea of the density of food to shrimp (BBS are small blobs, boggessi are bigger and less blobbier!) . For size reference, bottom right is an airline.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptCrash
Im not really getting that far with the boggessi at the moment. I have got them to about the same stage as you. Once they get to 10-12 dph, im finding that the prey becomes the hunter and in about a day, I have brine shrimp but no boggessi. I think that I have been adding too many brine shimp and they are growing faster than the boggessi. This time round I am going to remove the uneaten brine every 48 hours and cut back a bit on the amount of live I am adding. These are my same thoughts too. How do you plan to remove the older brine shrimp? I was thinking of using a 250-500 micron sieve to push down into the larvae vessel, then siphon the water out of the sieve which should not let any shrimp in.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:54 AM
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They solved the problem for me by eating everything that moved. Im now waiting on brine shrimp hatching in the morning to give them more. I have feed them some frozen BBS, and a mixture of 100-200um and 200-300um aqua pearls. That should hold them till the morning.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:24 AM
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It is morning! :p Here anyway...hehe. If you need BBS quickly you can get them to hatch in 6 hrs if you decap the eggs and then set the hatchery into a sump where they will be heated to 80F.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:09 AM
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Big failure today. Three batches of boggessi lost. Once again I added to many NHBBS.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Friday, December 9, 2011 12:34 AM
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12/8/11 9:30pm - Two seperate spawns of shrimp. 500 to 750 fry estimated. I have put these in a RBT with an airstone, greenwater, rotifers and NHBBS (no heater last night, as I had run out of heaters till I moved fry around this morning). Interestingly, with one of my last batches (not listed in this journal) I somehow moved some of the batch to my Tomato clown RBT. The shrimp in with the clowns grew faster and developed better than the ones in a RBT of their own. The clown bucket had a noticiably highter food load (BBS) and a much faster air stone. If I continue to have issues with getting these guys through, I may put the effort into making a kressel of some sort, to see if that improves the process.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:21 AM
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No need for green water & rotifers if you are running static system with daily water change. NHBBS is enough. No need for a kreisel either. A tall cylindrical container with a wooden airstone fixed to the side will do. No big bubbles, very very fine bubbles. Change out all the water every day, replace old BBS totally with NHBBS and switch a new container or wash the old one. Do this everyday and you can get >80% settlement rate. I've done about 100 shrimp in a 4-5L container so that gives you some idea on stocking. You need to remove the shrimp once they settle, usually they hang near the wooden airstone.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:09 AM
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Thanks for the info FuEL, its appreciated. Can I ask, how do you do a complete water change per day without losing the fry? Do you use a stand pipe with a screen or similar? Any reason for a wooden air stone specifically rather than a regular (blue ceramic?) one? The batch that I started without a heater, is going really well. I would estimate that 2/3 to 3/4 remain after about a week.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:42 AM
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Normal airstones bubbles too rough will damage late stage larvae, usually around day 10 onwards. Get a shallow white tray, pour everything out & gather the shrimp larvae using a syringe. If they are larger use a larger pipette.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:08 AM
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Thanks Thats such a better method than my stupid cleaning with an rigid airline and siphon method.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:10 AM
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I always thought a kriesel was best for shrimp larvae to keep them suspended.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:52 PM
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I will try Fuel's method on my next batch. Nothing to lost at this point! Are glass bead airstones (the expensive ones) as good as wooden? What day do you start the 100% waterchanges? Why not use a 500 micron sieve to catch the larvae and backwash them into the new container? Or is that damaging to the larvae?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:40 PM
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Sieving them will be harmful once their longer appendages start to appear. Not sure how small the glass bead airstone bubbles are but traditional wooden airstones have always worked. Start the 100% water changes from day 1 onwards. Once the larvae are in a tray they are phototactic, meaning you can attract them to one corner with light. I usually do the water change every morning when there is not much Artemia left in the water. NHBBS at 5/ml seems to work best.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Lysmata boggessi]
Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:39 PM
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well, i gave this a go last night and they now have a much cleaner bucket. I thought whilst I was doing it, I would get a count. In the first 1/2 of the water I took out there were over 600 fry. I gave up counting at this point. The second half of the water was less dense, I guess 200. So about 800 total. This was a bit of a shock, as I was expecting 200-300 tops. They are in about 30L of water in a 40cm round (16") tub. Should I separate them or just continue to add about 1L per day to the volume as I have been doing?
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