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Summer Banggai Project
Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:35 PM
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I'm considering an outdoor Banggai breeding project during the summer months. This is still in the planning stages and I welcome any advice. Matt W. provided me with this link, I'd read it before but lost track of it: http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/seagrant/communication/pdf/Banggai%20Cardinalfish-Final.pdf Thanks Matt! I'll be using a "pond" like this one: http://www.maccourt.com/products/ponds/lp7818.html In an attempt to keep costs, and effort, to a minimum I will not be installing the "pond" in the ground, it will be on one of my decks where it will get ample lighting. I will also be implementing some sort of umbrella system to deal with major rainstorm/salinity issues. The soest link above seems to agree with my thoughts that salinity changes aren't a large factor in Banggai behavior, but I will still have to deal with it . Eggcrate/mesh will handle, hopefully, raccoon/predator problems from above. Due to the limited time frame (summers in MI are short), I will need to have actively breeding pairs available ASAP. I only have 1 pair at the moment. I would appreciate input from anyone, so if you have any thoughts, let me know :-)
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:42 AM
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Sounds interesting, how are you going to control temperature swings in a larger outdoor system?
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rook
Sounds interesting, how are you going to control temperature swings in a larger outdoor system? I might do something like a "cold-frame" used in gardening. Basicaly, a removeable glass lid for cold nights, and a heater too, of course.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:41 AM
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It sounds like a cool idea. Are you moving the set-up outside, because room is tight indoors? Or, are you just trying to challenge yourself with the additional variables?
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bshells
It sounds like a cool idea. Are you moving the set-up outside, because room is tight indoors? Or, are you just trying to challenge yourself with the additional variables? Thanks Brian! And, yes, LOL room is tight and it would be a challenge. It would be much easier if I just moved to Hawaii, wouldn't it?
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:00 AM
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Tal, What temp does the lake water get/stay that your on? If it stays consistant, could you use a long garden hose and recirc pump to heat/cool this set up, like a hot water tank recirc heater, but use it as a heater/cooler. This sounds like a great idea, hope it comes together. Steve
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:34 AM
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I'm not that worried about temps. In the study above, they charted temps between 71 and 82. Grow out time is significantly shorter at higher temps. Not that I want to cook them, but you see my point? If it gets too hot, a shade could be used and water circulation increased.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:21 PM
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That is a great link, I feel like I'm ready to breed now! So, are you planning to make cages to seperate the pairs? How many pairs do you want to have? From reading, it sounds like observation will be a bit harder than in a tank.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:26 PM
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I'm still "thinking" it through...
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishtal
I'm not that worried about temps. In the study above, they charted temps between 71 and 82. Grow out time is significantly shorter at higher temps. Not that I want to cook them, but you see my point? If it gets too hot, a shade could be used and water circulation increased. Sorry I have not read the link YET... So it may explain how to combat heat...But I know growing up as a kid, my family had a swimming pool, and by the end of summer the water was very warm, well over 80*ish. I would think that you may have over heating problems with the set up your planning. Steve
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:45 PM
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Well, think away!!! I've thought about trying an experimental saltwater pond, but I don't have the time to take on a new project. I'm very interested to follow your progress.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:46 PM
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I just got back from Lowe's, if you're looking for a pond, go NOW! They have last year's leftovers for dirt cheap! I got a 35G round one, with a pump for $3! They had a 125G for $7.44, it was too big for my car though. I'm thinking the 35 might be just fine, I don't want this to be a huge undertaking.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:36 PM
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Here's the pond I picked up. It's about 38" in diameter and 14" deep: The other BRT (black round tub) I'll be using for growing rotifers. I left some in there during the winter and some survived. I decided to go with this size this year. If it goes well I'll get a bigger one next summer. This is the NE side of my house and it will get direct light until about 2pm'ish. It will be shaded during the hot afternoons and evenings. Our summers aren't that much different than Hawaii weather except they get less rain in the summer and lots in the winter, depending on where you're at on the island. I don't think overheating will be too much of a problem, but we'll see. Cool night will be more worrisome so I'll have to have a heater.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:42 PM
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Maybe I missed it. What is the plan for the winter time.
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mhowe9
Maybe I missed it. What is the plan for the winter time. Hawaii! ROFLMAO Sorry, I couldn't resist. I assume you mean the fish in the winter? Well, there will only be 1 or 2 pairs in that pond and I'll bring them back inside for the winter. I just noticed, this is my 2000th post! Woo hoo!
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishtal
Originally Posted by mhowe9
Maybe I missed it. What is the plan for the winter time. Hawaii! ROFLMAO Sorry, I couldn't resist. I assume you mean the fish in the winter? Well, there will only be 1 or 2 pairs in that pond and I'll bring them back inside for the winter. I just noticed, this is my 2000th post! Woo hoo! Hawaii, not a bad idea. That makes sense then. Congrats on your 2,000th post
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:15 PM
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Cool project Tal, I'm interested to see how it goes. I think you're covering the bases so far, will be interesting to see how it goes in practice. I did like the idea Steve mentioned about using the lake water to manage temp once it warms up, pumping through a coil of PEX tube like Jarrods heating system. Or....the round tub with the BC's in it is sitting in a larger tub that is filled with lake water that's pumped in and flows back out (back to the lake) to act as a buffer. I know, I'm carried away , hopefully it won't be an issue like you said.
-Mike-
240g In-wall - 48x48x24 - Mixed Reef
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:46 PM
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Thanks Mike. Maybe I'm not that concerned with overheating because I'm used to the microclimate around my house. Being on a lake makes a big difference. When I was in Hawaii I saw many people housing fish outside in tubs and such. The key is managing sunlight with shade. Another factor that isn't noticeable is that the deck is over the entrance to my pseudo basement and it stays pretty cool. I do appreciate the input from everyone. The more minds, the better!
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:31 PM
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I think your probably right, I grew up on a lake north of Clarkston, and now that you mention it, I do remember the climate being effected by the lake (long time ago..lol). A fan could be used on a calm, hot day if needed, which brings up evaporation/top-off.......will be interesting to see how that is affected as well. Was there much issue with that in HI?
-Mike-
240g In-wall - 48x48x24 - Mixed Reef
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Re:Summer Banggai Project
Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:38 PM
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Originally Posted by clamdigr
I think your probably right, I grew up on a lake north of Clarkston, and now that you mention it, I do remember the climate being effected by the lake (long time ago..lol). A fan could be used on a calm, hot day if needed, which brings up evaporation/top-off.......will be interesting to see how that is affected as well. Was there much issue with that in HI? In the study, at the top, they charted temp variations between 71 and 82 degrees. Salinity fluctuations between 25 and 35. Neither had much affect on the Banggais although growth rates at higher temps were better/faster.
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