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New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:45 PM
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Well I was at a LFS and found this pair sold as A. sabae: I've been doing some research and I'm starting to think they are actually A. clarkii. Still doing some research but It's very much looking like thay are not A. sabae.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:48 PM
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Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:08 PM
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Chad, I am thinking Clarkii too. Especially with the band on the caudal fin
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:17 PM
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From what I've been able to find in my research Sebae do not have that third white band.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:21 PM
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I think we need to go on a club mission to find real Sebae's
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:27 PM
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Now that I have these guys I really find myself wanting to get a pair of true Sebae though.. Sounds like it might be time to pull some strings.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:31 PM
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It would be cool to get a comparison shot of the 2 pairs to see the differences.
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:32 PM
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Chad, do you happen to know the actual source of the fish you got?
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:08 PM
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At this point no..I do have the personal cell of the store owner though and plan to give him a call tomorrow. I've also sent a few feelers to some sources to see if I can find a source for a pair of actual A. sebae.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:12 PM
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:28 PM
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Looking at all the pics from thos links: Clarkii seem to have pointier noses than Allardi. Sebae's have only yellow tails.
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:28 PM
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All this looking around has me stumbling across some cool clowns that we never see A. polymnus: A. chrysogaster A. latenzonatus: This is one of the coolest, I think, A. omanensis: I guess most of these guys are impossible to get though.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishtal
Looking at all the pics from thos links: Clarkii seem to have pointier noses than Allardi. Sebae's have only yellow tails. It has been very hard to find good information on how to really tell the difference between to the three species. The only reall information I seem to have that at least apears to be true is that A. sebae does not have any sort of banding on the caudal peduncle and the other two do. So that effectively rules this out as a true A. sebae. As to whether it is a clarkii or allardi, well it's hard to be sure still. In the pictures the banding on the allardi is very narrow and doesn't go into the dorsal at all. The clarkii however has much wider bands that base on this image and others often extends into the dorsal.. It's very confusing right now.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:39 PM
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:52 PM
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 8:14 PM
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According to the threads on RCF the reason he gave for the ID of A. allardi is the white stripe on the top of the caudal fin. I have to say that I can't see any evidence of that being a defining mark of an Allardi? In fact i haven't seen a single pic of an allardi with that white strip on it.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:12 PM
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I have had dozens if not hundreds of juvenile clarkii's that have had the white stripe on the caudal fin. Sorry but they look like clarkii's to me.
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Re:New Pair
Monday, April 12, 2010 6:04 AM
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With good photos of your fish, you should be able to count the number of bones in the dorsal fins and use that to help ID the fish. If you look at books like "Clownfish and there Host Anemones by Fautin/Allen, you should be able to figure it out. Hint: another good reason to by books. I do recall seeing this book online also.
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Re:New Pair
Monday, April 12, 2010 6:23 AM
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Originally Posted by johndawe
With good photos of your fish, you should be able to count the number of bones in the dorsal fins and use that to help ID the fish. If you look at books like "Clownfish and there Host Anemones by Fautin/Allen, you should be able to figure it out. Hint: another good reason to by books. I do recall seeing this book online also. I have a decent collection of books but as I've never had much of an interest in clowns that book just isn't one I've picked up before..Needless to say it is on my list now. You can also get that information off of fishbase, when it's working: A. sebae: Dorsal spines (total): 10 - 11; Dorsal soft rays (total): 14 - 17; Anal spines: 2; Anal soft rays: 13 - 14. Often all yellow or has a yellow band. In Bali, they are mostly black (Ref. 48636). A. allardi: Dorsal spines (total): 10 - 11; Dorsal soft rays (total): 15 - 17; Anal spines: 2; Anal soft rays: 13 - 15 A. clarkii: Dorsal spines (total): 10; Dorsal soft rays (total): 15 - 16; Anal spines: 2; Anal soft rays: 13 - 14. Highly variable in color and several geographical and localized forms (Ref. 48636). Two white bands, one behind the eye and one above the anus. Caudal fin white, sometimes yellowish, but always lighter than rest of the body. As you can see in this case that doesn't help much as they are almost identical and overlap.
Originally Posted by Barelycuda
I have had dozens if not hundreds of juvenile clarkii's that have had the white stripe on the caudal fin. Sorry but they look like clarkii's to me. No need to apologize I had a feeling they were probably not actually A. sebae when I got them becuase so often clarkii are sold as sebae. At $25 for the pair it was pretty hard to turn down though so I don'tconsider it much of a loss.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re:New Pair
Monday, April 12, 2010 8:28 AM
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I just got word back from the store owner this morning:
Originally Posted by Chad's LFS Store owner
Those came from my Philippine shipper. His stock is usually quite healthy and drug free. They were shipped as A. Clarkii. I priced them as "Sebae" clowns because that is the common name we have always used. That's what they called them when I was a little kid. They were only labeled "Clarkii" if they were a color variant, like black. I have just done research on distinguishing the difference between the two species. There was a very helpful flow chart in my "Field Guide To Anemonefishes and Their Host Sea Anemeones". Every clarkii that we have sold previously has been mislabeled. I will have to start labeling them correctly. I am sure that I can get more single specimens. They pair up really easy. I do not currently have a source for established pairs. Chances are if I orderder a breeding pair, the distributor will just pick a lg one and a sm one and sell them to me as a pair anyway. I will keep an eye on the ORA list because sometimes they sell broodstock. So I think this pretty much makes it official that this is in fact A. clarkii. I'm going to have him look into sources for true A. sebae for us if anyone is interested.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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