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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:33 PM
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Ok...very sad  The cysts are ok I guess, as when I went back to check on them,- took the tube out, and let the water settle- the shrimp were moving. So I know they are good. I fed them to the tank. Have been checking..........and checking............and checking.............. there is no sign now of any living, moving thing in the tank. I am so sad. I really hope it is they are just hiding in the green water. I want to see this through. I was just laying on the floor, looking up at the bottom of the tank to see if I can spot anything moving. Nothing. At all. I do notice a couple of dead larvae... from what look like they are dead. But maybe just in a resting state? The others did that before, and when the light was on them they popped up and darted. So I don't know. Nothing has changed except that I have added the shrimp. And that would not have done anything. I am extremely careful when siphoning- into a clear mason jar, then let it settle to see if anything is in it just in case before pouring out. Nothing is moving. I am going to bed now, so very sad. Hoping that when I wake up in the morning something will come out of the green water to eat breakfast. Good night.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:36 PM
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Oh- to point out in case it pops in anyone's head...... there is not a possibility of any bleach residue remaining. I was very anal about making sure I rinsed with water, then vinegar, then water again- actually let the water run over the eggs as I shook the filter back and forth to make sure they all rinsed. Then when I thought I had them all good to go- lol I did it again to make sure I don't put any bleach into the tank by mistake not knowing..... So- not sure what to think
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:51 PM
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I'm thinking that the next go round, try to avoid BBS completely and get some Otohime.
When feeding the BBS to the tank did you rinse the BBS before adding them to the tank?
I only ask because BBS are notorious for causing bacterial buildup in the tank which will quickly rob the water of oxygen.
I hope you still have some alive.....I know how you feel. I've been there.
Good luck.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:45 PM
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 Originally Posted by Zooid
I'm thinking that the next go round, try to avoid BBS completely and get some Otohime.
When feeding the BBS to the tank did you rinse the BBS before adding them to the tank?
I only ask because BBS are notorious for causing bacterial buildup in the tank which will quickly rob the water of oxygen.
I hope you still have some alive.....I know how you feel. I've been there.
Good luck.
Sorry to hear 'Chelle. Keep in mind that you have learned a lot and will have a better idea of what to do next time. I agree, I skip the BBS for clowns. I do use them for baby Banggai though. I rinse the BBS in a BS net with fresh water before putting them in the larval tank as you suggest.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:31 PM
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Rotifers to Otohime A for me. In a pinch you could probably introduce FINELY powdered flake food (i.e. Formula 1) instead of Otohime, but prepare for doing more water changes to clean it up. You can start introducing Otohime by like 4 days with Clowns...
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Friday, August 27, 2010 1:16 AM
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yep I skip bbs most of my early failures were due to that
And to be honest, and brutally honest here... most people dont even get that far with their first!! As sad as you may be you should be completely and utterly ecstatic that your ahead of the game!
Good thing theres a next time too!! Your doin great
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Friday, August 27, 2010 4:40 AM
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Good morning everyone, and thank you  I do realize I came to day #6 post hatch, which I am thrilled with. But I didn't think the bbs would be harmful, from what I've read it is something used. So next time I will not use it. No, I did not think to rinse the bbs off when I sucked it out, I turkey basted it out of the water bottle and gently poured it into the tank- so is that why? Because I added the water that the bbs were in? Nothing moving this morning. I am going to thin the water out today- and do a thorough check. I am still hoping to see something though. Ok..... once again- thanks to everyone for seeing me through my first attempt at this. And I look forward to more batches and journals in the future, with hopes that the next one is always a better one I will be back to update. Have a Happy Friday
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Friday, August 27, 2010 5:00 AM
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It gets better and better. I can't really tell you if adding the BBS water and all is what killed your babies but it's a logical thought. That water is so full of fats that bacteria blooms very quickly. I always strain my BBS and run water over them to try and clear away some of the fats and/or bacteria before adding to my tank. BBS is used extensively for raising clowns but with the new powdered foods it's much safer to just start feeding Otohime instead of BBS. I still hatch BBS but I normally only give it to them every other day or every three days and only one feeding per day. I'm sorry for your losses but as I said you will get better and better as time goes on. I was raising hybrid onyx percula x ocellaris fish and I was getting great survival through metamorphosis. Then I took a break and, man, I couldn't get a batch to even start meta. I had to relearn everything hehe. Here's my suggestions for the next batch. 1. Get some RotiGrow+ to feed your rotifers. 2. Get some Otohime. I use Otohime B1 and C1 and use a mortar and pestle to make it smaller. Other people use Otohime A to start. 3. Don't get discouraged
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Monday, September 13, 2010 5:54 PM
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Hello all. I am still here. Have a question for whoever knows: When the clowns lay the eggs......and the eggs are growing.....do they feed? Is it like a shark egg where the water filters through? Or more like they eat their egg sac? If it is the 1st- then what suggestions to add to the water to make them more viable? If it is a yolk sac - then just feed the mom and dad extremely healthy, generous portions/vitamins? Thanks!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Monday, September 13, 2010 6:07 PM
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The answer would be B. Providing a healthy diet for your pairs will ensure that they produce healthy and viable eggs.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Monday, September 13, 2010 6:44 PM
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Yep, B.
I like to feed my broodstock a variety of items too.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Monday, September 13, 2010 7:38 PM
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Ok- I also agree with B and have been doing that - a variety mix- as stated on Tal's site for the brood pair themselves.
But the actual eggs? (my husband and I got into this earlier so I am looking for backup info, lol) What do the actual eggs need or do? While I am waiting for the eggs themselves to hatch- while they are still on the wall in the brood tank, do you know if the eggs are benefiting at all from the water itself? If I were to add an additional supplement or something to the water- will that help the eggs? Do they feed while in the egg stage? Or only after they hatch, and then feed on their egg sac?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Monday, September 13, 2010 7:56 PM
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As far as I know, all that the eggs need is to be oxygenated. That is what the male is doing during the incubation period along with creating water movement to inhibit fungus.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Monday, September 13, 2010 8:59 PM
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I wouldn't add anything to the water for the eggs. Those eggs are pretty tough. The only problems I've had with eggs are things that I'VE done wrong. I took the eggs out a day early and didn't oxygenate them well enough and bacteria took hold quickly.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:00 AM
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lol or you could leave them in the care of the parents and use a snagger to suck out the fry post hatch like I do.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:29 PM
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I'll have to try your snagger one of these days Joe......
I just take mine out the night of hatch because it's so much easier on the larvae. They don't have to take that rollercoaster ride through a 1/4" tube lol.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:03 PM
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Ok everyone- to update this particular journal- I have dwindled down to 6...dwindle down to 1. I had been emailing Bob Fenner from wwm and discussing this w/him awhile back. Of the 6 I got to survive, all of a sudden 5 died..... out of nowhere, I had 6 happy swimming little guys, then poof! Gone. I am down to (1) baby from my first successful hatch/breeding attempt. He is the cutest thing I have seen, and he looks to be healthy/strong. Today he is 92 days old! I hope to mate him with one of the picasso's babies, if things go well... Here is an older video of the ones that were part of this hatching: I am very - very pleased I was able to have even one survive I am looking forward to trying this again with a not-so-difficult hybrid pair, lol... to see the numbers that are produced. I am so eager, and still so excited to be part of this wonderful forum, and aquaculture as a whole. Thank you for sharing your help/tips with me I will continue to grow from them ps: another cluster of eggs are due to hatch this evening or next from my percularis pair... changing some things around, moving the larval tank out to the garage (warmer out there /Florida lol) and going to try to introduce the otohime earlier, until I get some of the copepods from reed I read on a previous post from Tal/others. Also- on the advice of Bob F., I am trying to create a more sea-like conditions- I have raised the sg in the brood tank to 1.028 (gradually of course) to see if that makes a difference with the young.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:11 PM
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All it takes is one! Keep it up, you'll have more than you know what to do with soon.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:15 PM
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Thanks Tal- appreciate the feedback as usual Have a Happy Easter!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: <A. Ocellaris>
Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:15 PM
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How long are you going to keep it separate? You're doing a graet job!
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