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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:32 AM
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22 is great for the first nest! I only managed 4. Looking good so far in a nice video. Don't get too caught up in the babies... Momma should be laying again soon. 
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:29 PM
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So far so good Looks like the numbers have not gone down from hatch night - I will take photos at night, to update the process..... but I am not sure I will be able to get as good of a shot as most of you get Some of your shots are spectacular! Ok, So today is Day 1 Post Hatch I am doing regular intervals of rotifers... adding just abit of phyto each time. I am not overfeeding - but thinking if I keep the tank 'stocked' so to speak, then all should have enough to eat without having to search out the food, and keeping an eye on my corners and the sides of the tank as Tal's site suggests, to make sure the larvae aren't congregating in those areas. So far they are staying within the center of the tank
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:50 PM
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{ok so another side question from what B.Fenner mentioned :} Since my clowns may be {percularis} for the sake of discussion - and it takes 10 days from spawn to hatch..... I am thinking what I should be changing in my aquaculturing techniques.. I am following alot of what others have done- with success on their end.... and sometimes I run into dead ends. He suggests mimicking water conditions as close to sea strength as possible... if I do this... when would I need to gradually decrease to aquarium strength to raise the babies? IF creating an environment (much like the ocean) helps in getting the eggs hatched, getting the larvae through meta and transitioning into little fish-all successfully.... how far would you think I could let them be until I then have to decrease to tank parameters? (If/when I DO get to the point..in the future.. I will need to sell / trade these little treasures.... and I wouldn't want to keep them in a setup that the common hobbyist can't simulate......... thoughts on this? What is considered sea strength? I am finding online 1.022-1.029... and a pH of 8.0-8.3....
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:03 PM
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Are you talking about salinity? I run all my breeding systems ~1.020 for a few reasons. Saves money on salt, fish don't seem to care about salinity as much as corals do and disease, and pests, don't do as well at lower salinities.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:49 PM
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Yes, salinity. Thanks 1.026 is what I run my reef at.......so I have been keeping the brood tank at the same, as I was planning on adding coral to it. Dropping the brood stock down to 1.020, and maintaining that for the larvae is do-able. Maybe I am running it too high and that is why I am having issues with the eggs?
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 5:49 PM
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Added a few drops of Prime to larval tank, just to be safe
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:09 PM
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{in reply to Ignatz' post..wanted to post here as well:} Great update Congrats on no more losses I will be adding the live rock as well... in probably the same time frame you tried...as I am finding the olive /very light green coloration on my alert badge as well. Question to all: what about the chaeto as mentioned? How long do you need to wait to place this in the tank? Would it be better to add to a larval tank, for them to find cover in, and help fight the ammonia at the same time? Following for tips and good reading- Have a great weekend!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:07 AM
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Hi Michelle! Sounds like you're doing great. After watching your videos, I think I'm going to have to try make some myself. Keep 'em coming. AFAIK, Full strength sea water is 32ppt or ~1.0245 and 25ppt is ~1.020 is called 2/3 strength sea water. I like to use 32ppt because I read somewhere (missing reference) that the higher salinity neutralizes nitrite. Wilkerson suggests that by lowering the salinity, fish use less of their available resources for osmoregulation and have more to dedicate to growth. I think you could go either way and find success. WRT chaeto - Wilkerson mentions using it in her book. I think that if you use it, you'll have to pick it up from time to time and give it a good shake to remove the trapped food particles but otherwise it should work fine. I wouldn't use it until after meta when you're not keeping the greenwater quite so green.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:51 AM
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As long as your salinity is within .07 (so from 1.026 to 1.019) there shouldn't be much of an issue with acclimation between the level of salt. Past the .07 mark you start having shock issues.
Good luck and keep plugging along!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:11 PM
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Update: Day #2 Post Hatch--- still doing well as far as I can tell. Doing things abit different than last time. I went out and bought black construction paper prior to eggs hatching, that has been taped along all 4 side walls of tank, (last time I think I may have had too much light coming in) - also, I am just keeping light room light from the window, nothing too strong, I turn on the overhead strip when I am feeding, and I turn off the bubbler for about 15+ minutes, to allow then time to feed. Then lights off again, in doing this I am hoping the rotifers 'in' the tank will multiply. Good assumption, or am I off? With each feeding, I am also dosing fresh water, phyto, and prime. I am maintaining a slight greenish tint on my ammonia badge. So, in mixing the prime with the topoff/changes I am getting it back to yellow here and there. NOTE: last batch I did not have a badge- so this is def something I will make sure to have in supply for ALL nests coming. Ignatz: if you do a video- definitely hit me up! I would like to see it On youtube I am of course volitans2007...or my work email : michelleact1@aol.com or of course here I would love to see other videos...helps to know what something is or what steps to take if you are actually seeing it. I love some of the videos everyone has posted on youtube- very helpful And encouraging when you see the successes. Ok- busy day today- have moved 3 different tanks, swapped them out, and ran out to get more water... going to be sure to set up my 'grow out' tank in HOPES that I will soon have 'something to grow out' hahaha I am getting some extra live rock to be placed temporarily in the parents tank, until needed to move to growout...thinking it will absorb some of the nutrients/etc from the brood tank. Also, I am getting some macro algae, to add to the juvenile tank- to help keep ammonia, nitrates etc down. Will post a pic of the day this is pic worthy lol Keep following- taking your tips into consideration and applying them as needed Thank you everyone
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:18 PM
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My clown rearing tanks are painted black, on 3 sides and the bottom. The front is left clear but covered with a piece of corrugated plastic painted black. Black paper or garbage bags just seemed too much of a pain or messy.
I leave the front covered for the first 2 weeks then I remove the plastic so I can view from the front.
I light the larval tanks with a PC bulb with a reflector for 14hrs per day. Sometimes I light 2 tanks with 1 bulb placed between them. Clowns are visual feeders so they nee enough light to be able to see their food.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:17 PM
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Congratulations!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:53 PM
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Thanks Suzy- Your site is cool Tal- what type of paint? Is a sponge on paint better than a paint on / spray on? Of course let it air dry for period of time... but is there a diff in the actual paint used? Also - 14hrs of light / day? I thought the reason for keeping them in a dim lit tank was to prevent them from exerting too much energy? And the light reflected may hurt their sensitive eyes... Please comment on this and correct me - (side note: Thanks to Tal for pushing the Otohime the other fish L*O*V*E it )
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Sunday, January 23, 2011 6:28 PM
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I just use cheap black spray paint on the outside of the tanks. Dries fast and can easily be scraped off if needed.
They are on the same lighting cycle as the rest of the room (except the fridmani larvae that get 24/7 lighting until meta). I've had no issues with lighting.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Monday, January 24, 2011 3:39 AM
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Ok- so maybe the losses I have had were due to not getting enough light in the past?
I will increase this time period.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Monday, January 24, 2011 3:40 AM
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Monday, January 24, 2011 11:29 AM
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 Ok - so in trying to count what I could this morning- it appears that I may have had a few losses over the night, although I will have to wait until I get home from work to see exactly how many it is ,  I am thinking of introducing the bbs this evening, in addition to the rotifers, - today is Day 3, I am fearing that I may not have enough rotifers to last until I can wean them off fully. As this seems to be my greatest fear of raising the baby fish- the rotifer supply - I always feel as though I may not have enough. I will be careful though, and not over feed the bbs, so as not to risk water quality...but they have been eating so strongly- (it seems) - that I am hoping they will readily take to it. Will keep you posted
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Monday, January 24, 2011 11:38 AM
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Michelle, If you are using the greenwater technique your water is way too clear. I can't tell how deep the water is in the tank but when I add my RotiGreen I am unable to see the bottom of the tank. If the water is not green the phyto isn't feeding the rotifers (well, it did feed the rots but they consumed it all), nor is it providing the limited sight distance that the technique is used for. JMHO
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Monday, January 24, 2011 5:15 PM
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Tal- * I am slowly running out of phyto as I had ordered some more, but it has been delayed thru shipping... haven't gotten any response to a local call for phyto.... so have been stretching it out.. * I thought I made the mistake last time, (in my previous videos) of making the water too dark... so I was trying to go for something inbetween...I make it a light lime green color, but of course I will add more, as I don't want to hinder the feeding. I am waiting for the next video to upload to youtube.... (takes longer when you add music, so I have been stopping that on the last 2, lol) but they are still feeding / swimming/darting to and fro I added an itty bitty bit of bbs... just a tiny bit, to introduce it. I gave a good feeding of rotifers when I came home from work, and had my son add some while he was home from school - in trying to keep up with the several feedings throughout the day. I have next on my list to get the Rotigreen as you have suggested......I just have not as I had some nice phyto I was using, unfortunately (my calculation) I did not take into account how much I would go through between the larval tank, the rotifer buckets/jars...I miscounted, under counted the amount I would need. So in the future - I will be sure to have plenty on hand.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Amphiprion Ocellaris]
Monday, January 24, 2011 5:29 PM
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That's the trick with using live phyto... having enough on hand at all times. Kind of a pain especially if you're using it for rotifers and greenwater. Trust me, RotiGrow and Green makes life a lot easier. Getting the proper density of green is more of an art than a science, at least for me.  Do what works best for you.
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