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Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet
This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system General Species: Cypho Purpurascens Social Structure: Pair Size of Individuals: F 3.5" M 3" Age of Individuals: Unknown Date added to Tank: March 2011 Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: H800mm x W500mm x D500mm Substrate Details: None Filtration Details: Central filter, Bio balls Foam skimmer small amount live rock Water Changes: None Water Temperature: 80f Lighting: Ambient fish house lights Lighting Cycle: 14 on Other Tank Inhabitants: 1 cardinal Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: Home made gel Feeding Schedule: 3 times daily Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: April 15th 2011 Spawn Time of Day: Morning between 8am-1pm Dates of Consecutive Spawns: 4/19/2011 (male ate nest that night) Courtship Details: Didn't seem to be much Male occassionally chased female. Egg Size: less than 1mm Egg Color: White Egg Count: 50-100 Hatch Details Hatch Date: 04/18/2011 Hatch Time of Day: 9pm # Days after Spawn: 4 Larvae Description: Large bodies with large eyes. Larval Tank Details Temperature: 80f Size of Larval Tank: 5 litre Substrate Details: none Other Tank Decor: none Filtration Details: none Lighting: Ambient fish house lights Lighting Cycle: 14 on Water Changes: none yet Larval Feeding Details Food Types: L strain rotifers Feeding Schedule: Constant Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: Days after Hatch: Date of Settlement End: Description of Fry:
Grow-Out Tank Details Temperature: Size of Grow-Out Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Size at Transfer: Age at Transfer: Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Additional Information (No Pictures or Videos in the Section Please) Miscellaneous Information: You will be required to provide photographic or video evidence in this thread of each event submitted for the MBI Program.
If your thread does not contain these photos the MBI Committee will not be able to approve your reports. PHOTOS AND VIDEO S MUST BE PLACED IN ADDITIONAL POSTS, NEVER IN THE FIRST POST IN A JOURNAL.
<message edited by Duck on Thursday, April 21, 2011 6:44 PM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 12:00 PM
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Found a small nest of eggs today in a pipe hanging from side of tank about 2/3 of way up side of tank. Only a very small nest. Very reluctant to pull nest up again as male is very nervous and may eat the eggs.
I noticed the female had got thinner so checked all the pipes as male had not appeared for feeding.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 12:16 PM
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Need pictures man! Congrats!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 12:30 PM
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Yessssssssssss I know. Eggs seem to be attached to the string which runs through the pipe, so don't want to risk damaging them (anymore than I already have). I will just make sure the male is settled and may try again tomorrow Heres a pic of the male.  I havn't had a divider in for a couple of weeks as it was a waste of time. Putting a spare cardinal I had from a trio in there (after seeing the dither fish idea) seems to have worked a treat. The fmales fins are much healthier now and the cardinal has some fin damage but seems to feed happily now with the famale. The male seems to be much more elusive and only dashes out to attack or eat food.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 1:36 PM
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You should send those ugly red fish to me- I'll send you back some nice pretty neon gobies!  Cool idea on the dither fish - I'm sure those cardinals fins might make a tempting target! You might have stumbled onto something here - there isn't much of ANYTHING be written on dither fish while breeding hyper aggressive dotties. Having said that, my elongates pretty much just chase each other, leave the others alone 
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 1:53 PM
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When I first got them the females fins were pretty much torn up. Seperating them helped and she packed on the weight but I spent every morning trying to get the male back in his half of the tank. I gave up with the divider then read about the dither fish and it does seem to work. The Cardinal (Apogon Chrysopomus) had it tough in the first few days and his caudal fin was reduced by half, but he is big around 3" and now seems to understand he needs to move before the male hits him. His fins arn't too bad now and he gets lots of food with added vitamins so he seems ok.
Also they have a pretty large tank to themselves about 50 us gal.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 1:58 PM
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I'd try this with my P. tonozukai if I had a bigger tank for them. Gonna have to come up with something for them since they do not play nice. 
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 15, 2011 2:08 PM
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Haha...tell me about it. My male tears chunks of every time he attacks.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Monday, April 18, 2011 6:53 AM
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Monday, April 18, 2011 10:41 AM
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Gravid for sure.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Monday, April 18, 2011 2:23 PM
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Well I pulled the eggs tonight. Looked to be about 30 left attached to the string. Here's a pic.  Placed the eggs in a 5 litre tank and aerated them about 10 mins later a couple hatched. They are very large about 5-6mm. Much bigger than I have been working with recently here's a pic.  
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Monday, April 18, 2011 10:18 PM
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Nice. I know up in the journal you said 4 days, but by my count it's actually 3.5 days (15-16 = 1, 16-17 = 2, 17-18 = 3, 18 AM to 18 PM = .5). Are you sure on the spawn time being in the AM? I ask, because less than 4 days between spawn to hatch just seems tremendously fast!!!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:58 AM
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Funny, that's the first thing my wife said to me! Truth is I can't be sure. I will have to see next time they lay eggs. Hopefully this week.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:04 AM
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I think I definately pulled the eggs a day too early. Still only got the two hatched that happened during the transfer. I am aerating the eggs and hopefully the fungus won't get them before tonight.
On a positive note.........My female is a star!!!!!
Checked the same pipe at 3pm today and as I lifted it out rolled an eggball!....About 300 eggs I would say. I had to quickly get a pippette and retrieve them from the bottom of the tank. I placed them back in the pipe and the male is now back in there. Fingers crossed I will hatch them Saturday evening.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:42 AM
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Having a mare of a day today. All the larvae are dead. I think it must be the 5 litre tanks im using. Going to go back to hatching in BRT's.
Also pulled the pipe to check the new egg ball today and its gone! I checked all other pipes and caves and its not there. I think the male is eating the nests which would explain why I had so few eggs first time and they were attached to the string in the pipe..........Bugger it!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:46 AM
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Thought I would have one more look in the larvae tank before emptying it.
Did my eyes decieve me? here before my very eyes was but one lone larvae! "I'm here i'm here" he cryed, "please don't flush me". I took pity on the poor soul, to suffer such torment as to lose one's siblings at such a young age and be left alone wandering in the mist of uncertainty and emotional turmoil.
With purpose and haste I spritely gathered my syphon to alight the foulness and degredation that had carpeted the depths of the larval vessel. With bewilderment and the joy of excitement I beheld another four larvae glorious in their struggle for life.
Sorry just felt a bit poetic.
Basically I found 1 larvae and after syphoning the bottom found another 4. The struggle goes on!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:49 AM
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 Bravo!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Thursday, April 21, 2011 6:46 PM
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Counted 3 still alive today and could see them feeding on rotifers.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Friday, April 22, 2011 4:33 AM
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well done!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Cypho Purpurascens
Sunday, April 24, 2011 7:00 AM
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Very bad news!. Woke up this morning and both the fish are dead......
My prognosis is that I neglected to understand the temperatures these fish are comfortable with. In the last week we have had some great weather and the system temp has hovered between 30 and 32. From what I can get of Dr Google these fish are found at depths of 5-20 mtrs and temps averaging 22-24.
Both fish seemed well conditioned and their colours were still very bright when I removed them from the tank this morning. So I don't think they had been dead too long. No signs of stress although the female had not eaten much in the past 3 days. The males fins were torn but not overly and no signs of any infections or parasites.
These were awesome fish and I'm kicking myself for not paying more attention to detail. Only svaing grace is that I still have 3 larvae swimming around although to get these through meta may be difficult. I will however be trying my damdest to raise them.
What really irks me is that I cleared the biggest hurdle of managing to get them to live together and then lose them tthrough my own incompetence! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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