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Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:00 PM
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General Species: Lysmata boggessi, Peppermint shrimp. Wild-caught juveniles. Social Structure: A total of 4 shrimp; two per tank. Simultaneous hermaphrodites; any two will make a "pair". Size of Individuals: 1.25" to 2.25" Age of Individuals: Unknown, and various. Date added to Tank: Original four were bought in Mar 2011. Two more bought in Dec 2011. All shrimp moved to broodstock system in Nov 2011. Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: 10, 15, and 20 gallon aquariums. Plumbed into ~120 gallon system. Substrate Details: Fine dusting of sand, tile lean-to, a couple small pieces of live rock. Filtration Details: Central filtration system via sump. Filter sock, bioballs, EuroReef skimmer, Chaeto filter. Air stone in each tank. Water Changes: Weekly 20% to keep nitrate under 40 ppm Water Temperature: 80F Lighting: T8 Lighting Cycle: 8 am to 9:30 pm Other Tank Inhabitants: Various pairs of clowns sharing with each pair of shrimp. The shrimp are used as janitors. Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: They are fed indirectly by feeding the fish inhabiting their tanks. Frozen: Homemade mash, PE Mysis, Plankton, Brine Shrimp, and Marine Cuisine. Some New Life Spectrum pellets. Feeding Schedule: Fish are fed 4x per day. Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: Unknown Spawn Time of Day: Overnight Dates of Consecutive Spawns: Constantly; usually shrimp is carrying a new batch of eggs 1-2 days after the last eggs hatch. Always the bigger shrimp of the "pair" that holds the eggs. Spawning report refers to the spawn on 03/09/12. Courtship Details: Unknown Egg Size: Not sure Egg Color: Green at first, then pinkish-orange, then white/silvery just before hatch. Egg Count: Up to 300 so far on the bigger ones. Hatch Details Hatch Date: Continuous. Hatch report refers to the hatch on 03/20/12. Hatch Time of Day: Overnight, just before daylight. # Days after Spawn: 11-12 days. Eggs don't always all hatch on the same night. Larvae Description: Look like mini shrimp, about 5 mm. Fairly phototaxic. Adult shrimp are cannibalistic and will eat the larvae. I use a larvae collector made by Chad Vossen. Larval Tank Details Temperature: 80F Size of Larval Tank: 1 and 2 gallon "fish bowl kriesels". Larval tanks are placed into a 5 gallon tank. The heater is in the 5 gallon tank. Substrate Details: None Other Tank Decor: Fine glass air stone placed at the 3 o'clock position on the curved side of the bowl to create a circular flow pattern and keep larvae and food pieces suspended. Filtration Details: None. Lighting: Small, single LED used resting on a piece of acrylic shining straight down to help keep larvae suspended. Product is Hagen Marina Betta Kit LED Light and is fully submersible. I don't submerse it, but it is nice to know if I drop it in the water it won't be an issue. Lighting Cycle: 8 am to 9:30 pm Water Changes: Daily 50% waterchanges in the evenings using water from established reef tank filtered through 53 micron sieve. Daily bottom siphoning in the mornings. Larval Feeding Details Food Types: NHBBS and frozen Cyclopeeze. Feeding Schedule: 1-2 times per day add Cyclopeeze and NHBBS. Several times a day use a baster to gently blast settled food. Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: Days after Hatch: Date of Settlement End: Description of Fry:
Grow-Out Tank Details Temperature: Size of Grow-Out Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Size at Transfer: Age at Transfer: Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Additional Information
<message edited by EasterEggs on Wednesday, May 8, 2013 7:27 PM>
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Friday, September 23, 2011 9:19 AM
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One of the shrimp carrying eggs:  Larvae in larval tank: 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Friday, September 23, 2011 9:20 AM
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I lost the entire batch from Sept 16 yesterday to ammonia. Newbie mistake...forgot to add ammonia detoxifier. 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Friday, September 23, 2011 5:42 PM
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I had a sticky heater yesterday that shot batch #2 up to 97F! They survived that yesterday, but all perished today. I think it was yesterday's heat wave. Dangit. I probably have a week before another shrimp releases larvae.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:53 AM
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looks like L. wurdmanni
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:29 PM
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I moved my shrimp over to the new broodstock system. I separated them into (2) pairs, sharing their houses with clown pairs. They haven't carried any eggs in the 40 gallons breeder for at least a month. The nitrate was around 40 ppm in there though, so maybe that is why? Hopefully I will have some success with them in the new system.
 Originally Posted by r33fking looks like L. wurdmanni Andy Rhyne IDed my shrimp as boggessi. I wish they were wurdemanni. They are Aiptasia eating machines though! 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:10 PM
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Beautiful picture of broodstock ! Sorry for being late.  One of the differences between boggessi and wurdemanni is that the last one has a transverse stripe dorsally in the abdomen and boggessi does not.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:14 AM
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Thanks Anderson! I haven't had much time to work on these guys lately. They quit breeding in the old system anyway due to high nitrate >40 ppm, I think. Now they are in my broodstock system they are breeding consistently, and it's time to get working on them again. I have a pair of boggessi in each broodstock tank for cleaning up uneaten food, dual purpose I guess!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:23 AM
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Great ! That's also my plan too as soon as I have nitrates down. I usually see L. ankeri around and I hope they are easy to breed too.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Thursday, January 5, 2012 2:46 PM
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I'm stealing some quotes from FuEl from Capt Crash's thread so it is easier for me to review his suggestions. I'm going to follow FuEl's advice and see what I can do with some cylindrical containers and daily waterchanges. I will set the containers into a 15 gallon tank that is heated so I won't have a heater in the larval tank, just a glass bead airstone. Here is some of FuEl's advice:
Originally Posted by FuEl No need for green water & rotifers if you are running static system with daily water change. NHBBS is enough. No need for a kreisel either. A tall cylindrical container with a wooden airstone fixed to the side will do. No big bubbles, very very fine bubbles. Change out all the water every day, replace old BBS totally with NHBBS and switch a new container or wash the old one. Do this everyday and you can get >80% settlement rate. I've done about 100 shrimp in a 4-5L container so that gives you some idea on stocking. You need to remove the shrimp once they settle, usually they hang near the wooden airstone. Sieving them will be harmful once their longer appendages start to appear. Not sure how small the glass bead airstone bubbles are but traditional wooden airstones have always worked. Start the 100% water changes from day 1 onwards. Once the larvae are in a tray they are phototactic, meaning you can attract them to one corner with light. I usually do the water change every morning when there is not much Artemia left in the water. NHBBS at 5/ml seems to work best. Get a shallow white tray, pour everything out & gather the shrimp larvae using a syringe. If they are larger use a larger pipette.  Try cookie jars with a diameter of around 8". The wooden airstone at the side near the bottom creates a better circulating current. If the base is too wide it does'nt happen. Thanks for posting the info FuEl, sorry I "stole" it to my thread!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Friday, January 6, 2012 7:34 PM
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[I updated the Journal Details] Ok, so I collected a batch of larvae this morning. The shrimp released the larvae on the 10th day after spawning. Not very many - maybe 20 or 30. I put them into the only cylindrical container I have which is about 5" round and 13-14" water depth. I lost my measuring tape. I have just a gentle bubble going through a glass bead airstone, and I really like the very gentle flow that is going on in there. No larvae are settling on the bottom of the container either. I'm trying to get used to how long the shrimp are holding the eggs before releasing larvae, and I'm not very good at it yet, so I didn't have NHBBS ready. I added rotifers at about 5-10/mL, and there are maybe 30% left (12 hours later). I just added NHBBS at about 5/mL. No greenwater. I'm going to follow FuEl's advice and pipette the shrimp out tomorrow, sieve the rotifers and BBS out, then reuse 50% of the water and add 50% "new" water from the broodstock system. I'm chicken to do 100% while they are so young. On another note, my snagger isn't working as well in my broodstock tanks as it did in my larger quarantine tank. I'm wondering why...maybe the clowns are eating the larvae when they see them in the LED light? Maybe I should try making the light less bright? Maybe having the shrimp broodstock in with the clown broodstock is not a good idea? Hmm... 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Saturday, January 7, 2012 9:44 AM
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Well heck, that didn't last! They are all dead this morning!
What happened? Did I add too many NHBBS? Maybe my guesstimates of number per mL are not correct. I had AmQuel in there, so it shouldn't be ammonia. How long is starvation for these shrimp? Maybe I only imagined the rotifer numbers dropping. WTH?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:33 PM
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I collect about 80 larvae this morning, same setup as last time. My BS didn't hatch quick enough (I started them lastnight, but forgot to put a light over them) so the larvae didn't get fed until about 12-16 hph. I didn't add very many NHBBS, I'll measure how many per mL. I watched for about 10 minutes and didn't see any of the larvae catch any NHBSS though. Hmmm...
Temp is about 82F.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:21 AM
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They looked good yesterday, today all dead! I tried 24/7 lighting this time via a small LED on the lid to help keep the larvae suspended...it seemed to work. What am I doing wrong? Maybe back to the goldfish bowls on the next batch (in 9 days) since I achieved the best progress that way (11 or 12 dph).
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:09 AM
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Keep it up, Im having the same sort of failures as you.
In trying the 8" black tubs I had a much larger failure rate sooner. I also am getting a larger failure rate with wooden airstones than I was with cheap normal ones.
So far its a bit of a fail on the shrimp for me, but im still trying.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:14 AM
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Just a guess, but maybe the larger containers makes the food density to low for them? As Fuel mentioned, he was using 4-5l (1-1.25ish Gallons) containers with 100% water changes each day. Food density would be very high in those smaller containers (and I'm guessing the reason for the amount of water changes!).
Good luck! I'd love to see a serious push towards captive bred inverts.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:18 AM
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Its wierd, If i approach anything like a high density of NHBBS, the NHBBS gang up on the larvae and kill the larvae.
I dont seem to be able to find a middle ground.
Are you still having the same problem EasterEggs?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Saturday, January 21, 2012 5:48 PM
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Yeah I think so CaptCrash, it seems like too many NHBBS rather than too few, but of course I am just guessing, maybe it is too few. Increasing food density would be easy. The volume of my container is a little over 2 liters. I'm still not doing 100% waterchanges, mostly because my timing on the NHBBS hatching is not good enough. Everything needs to be coordinated and work around my part-time job to boot!
I keep getting sudden, complete die offs. Which must mean that something is really wrong. I am frustrated that I was getting longer survival in my first attempts.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Monday, January 23, 2012 11:20 AM
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its interesting that your losing them within 2dph .
i dont think it has to do with food at all . the starvation time is much longer than that .
i would look into other other things i.e. water parameters , additives, physical damage ...
look into your amquel dosage , these larvae are sensitive to chemicals . i would not add amquel in the first few days these guys arent very dirty unless you have added un rinsed artemia or had alot of die off. just to rule it out .
i once did a iodide dose lover than recommended by manufacturer and lost a hundred + month old larvae .
is that clear cylinder one of those things for steaming vegetables or noodles? i love those i have accumulated a bunch of those over the years from second hand stores . they are great for fluidized beds , rotifer enrichment containers .
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata boggessi)
Monday, January 23, 2012 11:25 AM
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" looks like L. wurdmanni "
my bad ! upon a second look boggessi all the way . very colorful specimen
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