Breeding Journal, Species: Chromis viridis

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Breeding Journal, Species: Chromis viridis - Monday, November 21, 2011 10:56 PM
Breeding Journal DataSheet
This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system

General
Species: Chromis viridis
Social Structure:  Origional Pair passed, now four fish in a group (Group 2)
Size of Individuals:  Origionals 3", replacements 1.5"
Age of Individuals:  Origionals 2.5 years (approx), Replacements 6-9 months in tank.
Date added to Tank:  Origionals December 2009, Replacements May 2013

Broodstock Tank Details
Size of Tank:  Origional 1800mm x 600mm x 600mm, replacement tank 2410mm L x 750mm H x 650mm W
Substrate Details:  Course Agronite
Filtration Details:  Skimmer, Live Rock, Macro Algae, Carbon, GFO
Water Changes:  Origional 100L weekly (15%), replacement 500L weekly
Water Temperature:  26.5C
Lighting:  LED 50% white, 50% blue.  Sunrise and Sunset via Red/Blue strip
Lighting Cycle:  7am to 8pm.  Fade in and fade out.
Other Tank Inhabitants:  Reef tank, with Tangs, clowns, Anthia etc

Broodstock Feeding Details
Food Types:  Spectrum Thera A+, Spectrum Salt H20 flakes, Enriched Brine Shrimp, Marine Green, Spirulina Flakes, Norrie, Home Made Mash (prawn, pipi clam, white bait, squid, garlic, norrie etc). Occasional live brine shrimp
Feeding Schedule:  Morning and night.  Pellets followed 10 minutes later with frozen food.

Spawning Details
Date of First Spawn:  December 2010 reporting spawn 11/20/2011
Spawn Time of Day:  am
Dates of Consecutive Spawns: Approx monthly, 2/19/2012 reporting for hatch 2/21/2012
Courtship Details:  Unknown
Egg Size:  approx 0.5mm
Egg Color:  cream/white
Egg Count:  500-700, hatch report over 1000

Hatch Details
Hatch Date:  11/22/2011 and 2/21/2012
Hatch Time of Day:  Early morning or overnight.  Discovered at 11am
# Days after Spawn:  2 days
Larvae Description:  Slender transparent tube, filled with 4 white balls to the eye. 
These look to be prolarvae so did not have clear eyes, mouth, cloaca etc.
By the end of the day, the gut and cloaca appear much more developed.  Mouth is still not apparent.
see pictures


Larval Tank Details
Temperature:  not measured
Size of Larval Tank:  750ml plastic container, W = 120mm x L = 170mm x H = 70mm
Substrate Details:  none
Other Tank Decor:  none
Filtration Details:  no equipment, 0.1ml of AmGuard for ammonia control per day if required
Lighting:  cf globe (one container directly under globe, 10 cm distance, one container 20cm to left of globe)
Lighting Cycle:  24 hours
Water Changes:  as required

Larval Feeding Details
Food Types:  Rotifers raised on Reed Rotifer Diet. Greenwater acheived by tinting the water with Reed Nannocholoropsis, about 2 drops.
Feeding Schedule:  Rotifers added at a density whereby there is at least a rotifer within every body length of the prolarvae

Metamorphosis/Settlement
Date of Settlement Start: 
Days after Hatch: 
Date of Settlement End: 
Description of Fry: 

Grow-Out Tank Details

Temperature: 
Size of Grow-Out Tank: 
Substrate Details: 
Other Tank Decor: 
Filtration Details: 
Lighting: 
Lighting Cycle: 
Water Changes: 
Size at Transfer: 
Age at Transfer: 

Grow-Out Feeding Details
Food Types: 
Feeding Schedule: 

Additional Information

(No Pictures or Videos in the Section Please)
Miscellaneous Information: 
Additional Spawns:  
S = Date of Spawn  
H = Date of Hatch 
S 10/25/2013 Group 2 
S 2/15/2014 Group 2
H 2/18/2014 Group 2

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Monday, November 21, 2011 10:59 PM
Eggs Only 
 
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:51 AM
The following details are from another thread http://www.mbisite.org/Forums/tm.aspx?&m=67815&mpage=1
 
I found these on the glass of my reef tank a few days ago (19th February 2012)


 

 

 
Im inclined to think that they are chromis eggs, but there are a few things that don't seem right.
1. They look different, less elongated than normal and quite white rather than cream
2. The chromis are not guarding them
3. They are on the front glass, no where near where they normally lay (back or side wall)
 
I have left some in the tank, put some into a container with still water and some into a tumbler.
 
I collected them by scraping them off of the glass with a cut straw and some air line.
 
In taking the photos quite a few of them twitched if I bumped the plastic that they were on so I think that they are ok at the moment.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:54 AM
I measured the eggs, length 0.75mm width 0.4mm.
They were laid in a patch of algae on the front glass of the aquarium about 200mm x 100mm with eggs less than 2mm apart, lots are touching.  No pattern or grouping, just scattered.  Estimate of 1000+ eggs
 
Pics of some more development

 
Video shows heart beating and blood flow.  Its at the limit for what my camera can show.


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:55 AM
The eggs sink when removed from the glass and sit on the bottom of the still container.
 
One of my chromis seems to be hanging out intermittently around the eggs, but not really guarding them.  The same one is also doing some swooping, but at the other end of the tank, this is normal pre and post spawn behavior.
20th February 2012
 
Some more pics
 

 
Looks a bit like a snail or a curled up fish

 
Movement within the egg


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:59 AM
Of interest, all of the eggs in the tumbler appear to be no good and are milky white in appearance.  95% of the eggs in the containers look to be good.
All of the eggs were scraped with a cut straw with air line tube and suction. The the contents were then randomly separated across the three containers with several batches to each.
 
21st February 2012 11am
We have a hatch of Prolarvae

 

 
To me it looks like they dont have a spinal column as yet, just soft tissue.
My only other experience with prolarvae is with the P.hepatus.  These guys make the P.hepatus look slow and bumbling when swimming.
 
They are fast and aggressive swimmers in comparison, to the eye they look like a clear pipe filled with 4 white balls

The grid matting is 10mm square so that makes the prolarvae about 2-2.5mm long.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:00 AM
21st February 2012 7pm
 
More development

 
The eggs in the reef tank have not all hatched (about 1/2 have).
Those in containers under a light appear to have all hatched with 24x7 lighting.
 
Im going to add rotifers to one container with a small amount of green water to see if any will eat rots.
I dont have anything else to feed them, so something is better than nothing.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:19 AM
 
 
Good luck!,they are difficult!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:24 AM
Quote Originally Posted by luis a m

Good luck!,they are difficult!

Its all practice.
 
22 February 2012, 1am

 
Eyes developing and I think a mouth starting to develop.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:37 AM
Awesome, I want to say its day 3ish that they start feeding if I remember correctly - good luck!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:39 AM
Quote Originally Posted by CaptCrash


Quote Originally Posted by luis a m

Good luck!,they are difficult!

Its all practice.

And luck!
This was a nice mistery thread.I knew it was Chromis since the beginningBut I found the thread only now,so I couldnt spoil the thriller



Quote Originally Posted by

Eyes developing and I think a mouth starting to develop.

And rear gut and cloaca!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:33 AM
22 February 2012, 6pm
 
Almost exact side on picture, mouth does not look fully developed as yet


But the pelvic fins are starting to develop


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:37 AM
23 February 2012 10am

 

 

 
The mouth looks to be nearly complete
There has been quite a bit of mortality (including the fry pictured).
My guess is that there are 20-30 left

They are also now extremely difficult to see and catch.  Other than a few stragglers they are now transparent excluding the head and eyes, so catching them is a bit of a task.

In the first picture a rotifer is shown for size comparison.  Does this look to big to be food?

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Friday, February 24, 2012 10:54 AM
Nice!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Friday, February 24, 2012 11:11 AM
More pics?!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:18 PM
Quote Originally Posted by frannyboy

More pics?!

No more pics to come from this batch.
The last shots are above.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:05 PM
Found the female dead on the bottom of the tank. Looked very beaten up,

It might of been the blue tangs or the nasso, the chromis haras them a bit and sometimes get chased for their efforts.

Poor girl

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Friday, March 16, 2012 1:10 PM
Sad to hear.Get some few more and keep trying!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:40 AM
Yup, I'll keep going with them

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Friday, October 25, 2013 2:10 AM
A new spawn from these guys this morning. 
A while ago I lost one of the pair (my male Blue Tang got sick of being chased away from the eggs by the chromis male?/female? and gave him a severe beating that it did not recover from).
 
In May this year I added four new fish and removed the remaining one to another tank.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:04 AM
Any action Darren?
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:05 AM
Oops
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:10 AM
I have had a couple of nests from the new fish, but no real progress so far.  They are not laying consistently as they are still smallish.  I would guess at a nest every 5-6 weeks.
Hopefully they will get a bit more regular.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:40 PM
I have the same trouble with my Yellowtail Damsels, but they are a few years old.
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Monday, February 17, 2014 8:52 PM
In the last week I have had three nests of chromes from the seven fish in the tank.
Two of these nests have been huge, approx 12" in diameter of 50% coverage.
 
The video shows about 10-20% of the fry collected, and I only collected about 1/3 of the fry from the hatch.  My guess would be 2000-3000 eggs and about 1000 fry collected.
 
Now I just need to be able to raise one.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Chromis viridis] - Monday, March 3, 2014 8:13 AM
The latest batch from a hatch on the 2/21/2014, about 10-20 fry, Today is 10 days post hatch.  
Length about 2-3mm
 

 

 

 
 
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