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Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:33 AM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet
This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system General Species: Pterapogon Kauderni (Banggaii Cardinal) Social Structure: bondd pair Size of Individuals: Male- 3 inches, female- 2 3/4 inches Age of Individuals: unknown Date added to Tank: had the fish seperate for about two months- together since November 20th Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: 15 gallons of 120 gallon system Substrate Details: Bare bottom Filtration Details: Filter sock, deep sand bed, live rock, macro algae, carbon, skimmer, bio-pellet reactor Water Changes: 25% bi weekly Water Temperature: 80 F Lighting: Vho T12 Lighting Cycle: lights on a 9:30am, lights off at 10:30pm Other Tank Inhabitants: bonded pair of Onyx Percula, hermit crab, 1 cleaner shrimp Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: Rods food Breeders Blend, frozen Blood worms Feeding Schedule: Three times a day Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: 12/13/11 Spawn Time of Day: afternoon Dates of Consecutive Spawns: Courtship Details: always by eachother, caught them swimming belly to belly on 12/11/11, female very very protecive of her male and brood Egg Size: 2mm? one egg fell out of the males mouth when he shuffled them around being annoyed at the female and her overprotectiveness. Egg Color: opac creamy white Egg Count: a lot- male is already going to explode with eggs! Hatch Details Hatch Date: Hatch Time of Day: # Days after Spawn: Larvae Description: Larval Tank Details Temperature: Size of Larval Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Larval Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: Days after Hatch: Date of Settlement End: Description of Fry:
Grow-Out Tank Details Temperature: Size of Grow-Out Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Size at Transfer: Age at Transfer: Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Additional Information (No Pictures or Videos in the Section Please) Miscellaneous Information: Male was from a previous mated pair. male obtained from Tropicorium fish store- captive bred. female obtained from A&M wholesaler- captive bred You will be required to provide photographic or video evidence in this thread of each event submitted for the MBI Program.
If your thread does not contain these photos the MBI Committee will not be able to approve your reports. PHOTOS AND VIDEO S MUST BE PLACED IN ADDITIONAL POSTS, NEVER IN THE FIRST POST IN A JOURNAL.
<message edited by FlynnFish on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:54 AM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:39 AM
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picture of newly formed pair in a 20gallon tall tank (bonding tank).  Picture of pair in permenant home with onyx percula. 
<message edited by FlynnFish on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:05 PM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Monday, December 12, 2011 5:37 AM
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I've noticed the female is starting to get chubby. Yesterday I caught them both in some prespawn behavior. They were swimming together with their bellies touching. I fed them heavily after seeing this just in case they do spawn the male will have plenty of reserves.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:31 PM
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The banggais were doing dances again yesterday. upon getting a closer look, i seen that the female is actually shaking, some what like clownfish do, but not as exaggerated. she does this when she has her belly up next to the males belly. i will try to get a video of this when i get home today and will post it up.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:46 PM
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 Originally Posted by FlynnFish i seen that the female is actually shaking, some what like clownfish do That is definitely pre-spawn behavior. I don't think it will be long before you get some action from them.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:56 PM
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i took a look at the banggai's today after I got home from work. The female doesn't look so chubby anymore and the male refused to eat when I fed them. the female is Pestering the male and won't leave him alone. http://youtu.be/9bM_colEfy4 after taking this video I sat and watched the fish for a few minutes to see if I could see anything. The female still chasing the male around. the male opened his mouth and out popped an egg!! HURRAY!! my banggais have eggs!!!! but the question is now- what do I do? should I seperate them or let them figure things out for themselves? A few minutes ago I checked on them again and the female is back to shaking her belly against the male. could she have more eggs for him? he already looks like he could burst! lol.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:06 PM
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Females "protect" the males when they are holding. That is what I'm seeing in the vid. You may want to add some macro or other hiding places for them... the tank looks a little sparse. IMHO
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:03 AM
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I added another tile to the other round homemade tiles, so now half of the tank is cave systems. they seem to be hiding in there for the time being. it has surprised me on how fast they paired up and already have eggs. they haven't even been together for a month yet. Love at first sight I guess. LOL.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:05 AM
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If this is a new pair- do I do reports on these or no since I already did banggai's before??
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:28 AM
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I don't think it will let you do more than one report on the same species.
RLTW 180 Gallon Mixed Reef Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:55 PM
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Reports can only be filed once per species. However, you can create a new journal for a new pair.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:01 PM
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gotcha- pair is doing good. female is not bugging the male so much- almost back to normal. male doesn't look as loaded with eggs as he did yesterday but he still didn't eat today.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Friday, December 16, 2011 7:58 PM
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While feeding the fish today the male Banggai was eating again, so he must have eaten the eggs. hopefully better luck next time.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Friday, December 16, 2011 8:08 PM
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That happens. 
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishtal That happens.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:21 PM
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Is there anything that can be done to prevent this? A more varied diet prior to spawning?
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Friday, March 2, 2012 8:42 PM
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My Banggais have spawned 3 times now and everytime the male has eaten the eggs by day 3. I think they may need a tank of their own for the male to feel comfortable enough to keep the eggs to full term. they spawned again yesterday and I stole the eggs from him this afternoon. Here are pictures of the egg mass.   there is one egg that is clear with embriotic development inside. but the others are orange. My question is are the orange eggs fertilized? are they just developing slower than the clear one? I have the eggs tumbling around in a moded coke bottle brine shrimp hatcher. they are rolling almost constantly and once in a while rise into the water and fall back down. I am using air as a lift as i do not have a small enough water pump for the eggs at the time nor a tank or beaker to properly set up something nice. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping they will develop and hatch in the next few weeks.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Friday, March 2, 2012 9:08 PM
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Wow, nice pics! Good luck!
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:50 AM
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Nice work, those are some cool pics. I will have to try and find the link but I have seen some designs for in-tank tumblers that are water driven. They were for banggai eggs.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Pterapogon Kauderni
Monday, April 30, 2012 10:49 AM
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Any updates 
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