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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:52 AM
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If you were going with a species tank (just cardinals) a group of mixed sizes (2-4") in the 6-8 range should be fine. I've got 6 (2-3") in a 30 with a 3" marine betta/ comet and there is no aggression. I do worry the comet may start to snack on the small ones tho 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:01 PM
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Oh yes- it will be a species only  - no other fish (although I have seen photos of a clown goby in with the cardinals. and was considering that as they are very peaceful ..) but in my tank, it will be the Banggai's, a few snails, a few shrimp (the ghost shrimp were reproducing in there) and, a few blue leg's - no other fish to cause stress...and I have removed that da*n filter. Not going to use a hob on this tank for them-do not want to take another chance of what happened. I have actually put the survivor into a sectioned tank I have a pair of clowns in - and she is doing very well- socialized right off the bat- and there is a male mandarin in there as well.. something to think about when I think of adding to the tank. But for now, for awhile- it will be Banggai's only. I have taken down their tank- and am cleaning it out - I am redoing the whole concept of it- as I read an article, mentioning mangroves.. so I would like to try to create something that is extremely pleasing to both the fish, and the onlooker - it will be a work in progress, but I have a pair I will be picking up on Tuesday- to be kept in a 10gal temp tank for now- until everything is ready. I thought about waiting until the move - but I can't. I fell in love with my pair, and I miss seeing them  so I want to get another and enjoy them as well. And I have ordered a Fluval for this tank. - no intake to suck them up- I will do something with the filter to prevent any suck-up-age,
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:03 PM
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I am happy with the 6-8 range and will keep an eye out so I can introduce them at the same time..... question though, if breeding- would a female take on more than one male if there are multiple pairs in the tank? Or would the males stay with the female they have paired up with only?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:04 PM
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Turns out the young pair I had....were actually two males. Came home and found one looking worse for the wear, took him out, but he did not make it through the night. The other one is swimming around triumphantly as though what he did was a good thing I am heading to the lfs Saturday- after a loooong hiatus, and will see if I can find a match for this stud, lol
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:03 PM
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Ok- correction to above- what I had was 2 FEMALES. I have since picked up a male banggai on Sunday- June 24th, and have been watching them closely. They have bonded well together. They are in the biocube until my tank area is complete, and I have their tank set up complete with rock/caulerpa/etc. So far, they are fine in their temporary tank. The female looks like she may be holding.... but it is too early, right? They have only been together a week. But she is bulging. They have both been feeding VERY well, in fact over fed - as evidenced of the small algae in tank- but I am doing that on purpose, as it has brought a smorgasbourd of copepods and such- breeding grounds for the food, lol! The banggai babies will have food waiting for them Here is a little video I took when I got them: (just wanted to plug this post in , as I have been holding my breath for them - and it seems as though they are doing well. The only thing, today I noticed not such a voracious appetite, and the female is twitching - alot. So I am hoping she may release if she is in fact holding - also- she almost has aslight tint of pink to her belly/back area, could this be eggs inside? The male is staying close to her, doesn't go far.
<message edited by Chelle's Ocean on Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:23 PM>
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:12 PM
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Looks like they're eating well.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:27 PM
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Yes they are, Tal- they seem to be doing fine, so I am sooo happy (the 1st video I have tried to edit it twice, it is not the one from 6/24/2012 - but if you link to my youtube channel you will see the other video ) She is still twitching and he has not left her side. So far I have been mixing their food up- with something different each feeding- however, they do not like the small carnivore food. Hmm not sure why- but they don't.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Monday, July 9, 2012 4:28 PM
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Ok- trying to get some feedback guys and gals - have like 3 days of film (7/5/2012 - 7/7/2012), and need to narrow it down, lol- but...... they did the dance! (happy happy joy joy dancing around whoo hoo!) Eh hem back to reality. How long, from the mating (dance) itself until the spawning/release/transfer of eggs? She looks bottom heavy, and her color is still the same- pink tinted portion- he is being powedfed, and his mouth seems to be more 'bulbous' more squared off...sometimes he eats- sometimes he ignores the food or spits it out and goes right to her side.... but how long usually, in anyone's given experience does it take to see eggs? I had wanted to get it on video- but not sure if I will be able to. And from what I am finding- it is "early" afternoon when it happens? I was kind of hoping after work if I can get her on my schedule lol. Anyone have an opinion they want to share? I am living in this fish room until I see eggs darnit
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Monday, July 9, 2012 6:19 PM
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One of my pairs danced for about a month before they spawned. Another pair I never saw dance before they spawned. They were just a female and a male I put together, and then BAM mouthful.
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Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Monday, July 9, 2012 8:27 PM
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Ugh you're killlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllling me, lol! I have been woo-ing them , lol- Come Hither music in the background, dim lighting, hahaha enough already - the male better hold the eggs, I don't know if I can handle this and not see it to the end, I want to hand out little baby cigars lol Seriously though- I have been keeping notes on the side, I am afraid if I post it I will jinx myself. (Ok- all fins crossed for Boris & Natasha to make little minions heeheehee)
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Friday, July 20, 2012 8:09 PM
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Friday, July 20, 2012 8:40 PM
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Goood Luuck!!!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Friday, July 20, 2012 8:45 PM
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Awesome! Shouldn't you be playing south Pacific music though?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:10 AM
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Woohoo! Well done. Good luck, I'm not having much...
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:10 PM
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 Originally Posted by Fishtal Awesome! Shouldn't you be playing south Pacific music though? lol- "I" like caribbean calypso, reggae, dancehall music, and thus my fish do too, heehee they be jammin' mon! It got them in the mood anyway, lol
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:13 PM
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Thank you for the good luck wishes, I am taking them and holding them tight! So far - so good. The male is doing well at shifting the eggs, as you can see in the video. I feel bad, though- feeding the female in front of him- like I am ignoring him... SO I have started doing something different, and even if it is all in my head, and doesn't do a lick for him- it makes me feel better, lol. Here is Day 2 :
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:17 PM
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Question--- how to get the aiptasia out of the tank? Thought of adding a couple of peppermints, but don't want to run the risk of the pair eating the shrimp...seems my glass shrimp which was HUGE and carrying eggs is now M.I.A. I am not adding to or taking away just yet, as I don't want to interrupt their routine.
Also- when it comes time to remove the babies.... what is the BEST way to do this? I am concerned about keeping them in the biocube, with the filter. So I will want to move them to their own set up... If I place a breeders net, with some fake plants and an urchin at the bottom of the tank, I am hoping they will swim to it, and I can just pull the whole thing up to transfer... yay or nay?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:38 PM
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Aptasia and cards seen to go hand in hand. I have had pepps in with the bangs before without issue. The aptasia is what ended up killing the peps. They grew faster than they got eaten. Although I would imagine small peps would be eaten. As far as removing babies, the best way is to move the male to a seperate tank before release. Don't use a net unless you are wanting the male to spit. I always use a clear container like the ones you see at the fish store when they are bagging up fish. Carefully and SLOWLY move it so he swims into it. Some patience is required, but I have done many many batches this way with perfect success. Move male to fry tank, watch for babies. You will have some time to remove the father after release, this is what I have found is pretty consistent among my pairs. Male holds X days 28 days 18-24 hours before he eats 29-30 days 8-12 hours before he eats 31+ days very shortly after release 2-6 hours I am sure temp of water during holding effects this, I keep 79-80. Anycase, hope that helps.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:04 PM
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Great info, thanks- yeah I was concerned how soon he would eat- I like that idea, I will move him if I am able, and power feed him prior to putting him back in with the female. Thanks for sharing So far..day 3.. looking good
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: [Pterapogon kauderni]
Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:44 PM
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My males have always eaten within a few hours of being stripped or releasing the fry on their own.
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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