Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata boggessi

Here's one that went into the larval gobie BRT:

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And here are some larvae enjoying the flow: click for video!

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Those are really good pics!  Patience pays off!

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OMG, those spear legs get really long! Still doing well, my collection of peps, even the ones in the goby tank, are still cruising and growing.  I've been feeding them the Argent feed and NHBS, and started siphoning the bottom and adding more saltwater to the tanks. Gobies are metamorphosing, so I may have to move the shrimps in there to the other BRT where their siblings reside.  I am thinking of installing an auto feeder to keep them fed while I'm at work.
 

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Autofeeder installed and operational.  Hard to keep from feeding too much, though. I did a scrape and siphon of the bottom of the BRT, and lots of crud remained suspended afterwards.  I'll check if it settled this morning.  I had a near failure of the brine shrimp hatching, so I'm glad these guys will coast on non'living foods for a while.  Those paddle/spear legs are REALLY LONG!

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Had a massive die off in the pep shrimp BRT.  Lots of white bodies. The water seem fine.  Nitrates are less than the Gobie BRT, all within reason, but the peps nauplii look better in the gobie tub than the shrimp tub, even though they get fed the same things.  Reading Kirkendoll, I should be feeding them bigger foods. I think they will be eating bigger foods than the metamorphosizing gobies at this point. I started them on crushed flake.  Siphoning and adding clean water.

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I also notice that I have a lot of uneaten brine shrimp that are growing.  I fed the tank some RGgreen to help them stay nutritious.  The peps are supposed to be eating bigger foods anyway.

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What are the ones in the Goby tank eating?  May co-culture is the way to go.  Maybe the Gobies help eat what the Peps don't so the food is fresher?

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Gobie tank gets fed NHBS the 50 - 100 micron encapsulated feed mentioned above, and lately a little Otohime, and crushed flake. The flake is Ocean Nutrition Formula I. Peppermint tank gets fed the same.  The peppermint tank is cleaner because it was set up later, and nitrates are lower.  Gobie tank has globs of algae on the sides and a layer of mulm on the bottom.  I think I siphoned it once or twice. Hundreds of metamorphosizing gobies in there, with a handful of peppermint shrimp larvae cruising around. I think there are now more peps in the gobie tank than there are in the pep tank( which had been stocked with at least a hundred larvae that survived 10 days.)

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Strangely, I have yet to see any hydroids in the either BRT.  Usually I get them by now, and their devastating effects.

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What day are these pics Kathy?  They are great !

Jake
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Hope these keep doing well. I kept mine in the kreisel through settlement, and when a couple of weeks old fed crushed flake and adult brine shrimp (2 or 3 late stage larvae would latch on to a brine and chow down!). My only cleaning was daily siphoning of the uneaten flake that collected at the bottom. Dang it, now I'm getting the urge to try another shrimp! I love your video of all the little larvae.

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Ken

Thanks to all.
Very few mosquitos (gobie larvae) left. They all turned into fish. I moved all the shrimps from the shrimp tub (10 survivors) into the tub with the gobies, euterpina, algae and lots of molts. Water is terribly polluted, but teaming with life. No ammonia, but the nitrites and trates are climbing.  Did a 5 gallon water change on a 10 gallon culture and the waste water 2 days later is so full of euterpina it is not funny.  It's the best culture of copepods I've ever had.  Certainly the easiest.  
 
The shrimps continue to fly around the tub in their invisible watery ferris wheel, getting ever bigger.  They are almost as long as the neon gobies that cling to the algae lawn on the sides of the tub.

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No more brine shrimp. Weaning time.
 

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Jake, the pictures above were at 7 days. We are at 24 days today, looking forward to 5 weeks when they might metamorphosize if I am lucky.
 

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Thank Kathy, this is a great thread, all good ! 

Jake
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Thanks Jake!

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Thanks are to you Kathy, you are the one doing all of the work, and preparations for this.
 
 

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Looking good Kathy!

Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]

The goby tank had been running longer than the pep tank.  Both are BRTs of the same vintage(I've been collecting them when I find them on sale.)  Lots of copepods of most of the kinds I have in culture. Parvo, and euterpina, mostly, although the Euterpina has outpaced them all in the end. RGgreen for greenwater in the early days, as well as any live phyto that I needed to use up.  It is now supporting some kind of green live algae with no intervention from me.  Analysis of the water filtrate shows a lot of gunk, and euterpina.  There must be a lot of gobie poop as well as the molts from the peps. I have this tank on auto feeders for Otohime B1 and flake crumbles 6 times daily around the clock, lights 24/7. They also get another good feeding daily as I replenish the feeder. I am now siphoning every other day, and getting lots of goo when I do. But not dead bodies, and the ammonia stays at 0.  Common sense says I should clean this tank or put it on a sump with flow thru, but if it isn't broken, ….I'm not going to fix it.

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April never told me this.  Something is either very wrong, or the shrimps are undergoing metamorphosis.  I've been noticing that the spear legs have been going away, one by one.  Really.  Some shrimp have been flying around with only one spear leg, plus the hundreds of other legs.  Now it seems that they are losing their eyes.  At least the ones on stalks.  Tonight I was gazing at them, and noticed one without eyes on stalks.  I captured it and tried to take pictures under the scope:

 
 
 
Several had only one eye stalk:

 

 

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The eyeless one had lovely pleopods:

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Pictures of one and two eye shrimp in the larval tub:

 

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I'm certainly no expert, but I would be excited about metamorphosis!

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I would be, too! Is this metamorphosis?

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I have no idea.  I haven't got that far!  :p

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I can't find any shrimps.  It's a pretty busy tub, and there is lots of algae coating the sides, and these guys go transparent when they meta, so it is possible, but not likely that I've succeeded here. Sad to say after 5 weeks of cheering them on, but it is my first real attempt at raising them, and I came pretty far, so I'm disappointed, but not discouraged.  

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Mine were nearly invisible when the first underwent meta. Careful searching with a flashlight would find their little glowing eyes hiding about. I bet you have some in there! Keep the faith!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ken

Kathy, did any get to settlement?

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Ken

I doubt that very much, but frankly, the goby tub where they all ended up is so full of flying gunk, algae and gobies, they could be hiding, but chances are very good that they all perished trying to metamorphosize in a cruddy environment.  Seems to be OK for gobies, in fact it is the best batch I've ever had, but perhaps not appropriate for shrimp.  Worth a try, though. 

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So, I had a tub all ready for Watchman Gobies, but they all died, so I threw a few Darwin ocellaris in there, and they have just about hit metamorphosis, when the bogessi decided to molt and hatch some babies. I added the snagged hatchlings to the tub, and 24 hours later, they seem to have molted, and done well. Eyes are on stalks, and they are flying around, and seem to occasionally strike at food.
 
 I'm weaning the clownfish to Oto A, so that's in there, as well as two sizes of rotifers, and all the 5 kinds of copepods, or at least the ones that survive being prey to the clownfish.  I started hatching my decamped brine shrimp when I discovered the shrimplets in the snagger, so I just started adding NHBBS this morning, 24 hours later.

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They seem to all still be in there. Growing. 4 more weeks is a long time to wait, but this tub is a lot less crowded than the last one, so maybe I have a hope. I siphon out the gunk on the bottom twice a week, and if I keep it, I can decant off a fair number of copepods to add back to the tub, and replenish the container with fresh saltwater, and generate more in a day or so.  Love euterpina.
 

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Good luck! If you came that close the first time, I have no doubt you'll get them down very soon.

Well, 
at 29 days, I thought I lost them all. Couldn't find any, so I stopped feeding the tank brine shrimp and pondered what to do with 5 misbarred black ocellaris juvies. Still haven't moved them, but now at boggessi day 33, I saw a shrimp flying around in there. So I fed the tank some flake, siphoned the bottom and hope for he best.  Today, the boggessi larvae seems to have lost it's spear legs, but eyes are still on stalks.  There is some color to the body.  I have a 50/50 shot in the next day or two, at hitting metamorphosis for this species.  One of the parental shrimps died, the other parent is still holding eggs, so I get one more batch of larvae before I have to go buy another shrimp.  I want this to work!

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No luck on the 5 week single larvae. Couldn't even find a body this morning or evening. The last spawn of the remaining shrimp happened last night, adn I snagged them.  Have them in a 2 gallon fishbowl, NHbrine shrimp this evening.  We shall see.

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Day 10? Yesterday I decided they needed a water change, so I siphoned out the crud at the bottom, carefully replacing the shrimps that travelled down the siphon tube, and poured in the replacement water, instead of dripping it in. Probably a mistake.  Many fewer shrimps in the bowl this morning. Long spear legs on the survivors.

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Either A. Rhyne or R. Calado, can't remember, wrote a paper that was published about the growth of peppermints on NHBS compared to NHBS transitioned to older enriched BS.  There were no differences, so I'm going the easy way, NHBS all the way.

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I've had some significant die off; also brine shrimp nauplii die off.  I wonder what is happening? the remaining boggessi don't look healthy….

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Perhaps a more sanitary environment would be beneficial for these?

Perhaps.  This fishbowl is a lot more sanitary than the goby tub was. The remaining shrimp continue to grow and eat and survive, though there are just a few.  I only need one!

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