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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:28 AM
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He told me that code required that all garages be gfci protected
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:05 PM
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Technically if you are framing in the garage door it is not a garage. Secondly the heating or lighting circuits are not required to be gfci protected if I remember correctly. Make sure he seperates out the lighting circuits from the plug circuits. If he is treating is as a garage he should anyway. Also if you have time before he comes out you can start thinking about lighting layout and once he wires the lights you can put them on a timer for automatic operation. Not sure if you want separate room lighting vs. specific tank lighting. I light the entire room with the lights over the tanks and they are on a timer that is installed in place of the normal light switch. I would push him to install a gfci receptacle in the plug circuits not gfci breakers. A gfci receptacle is $8-12ea vs $50 ea. for a gfci breaker.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:01 PM
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The other nice thing, IMHO, about using GFCI receptacles is that if it triggers, only the things on that receptacle and downstream from it are tripped, so I find more flexibility in my wiring. I can have 2 systems on the same breaker (and most of my fish only systems are so low in power demand that I can run multiples off one breaker), and having one trip doesn't shut down both, so I can set it up that something tripping doesn't shut down both systems, or only shuts down the pumps, but leaves the air system running, etc. Of course, when I set it up this way I'm using multiple GFCI receptacles, and the cost goes up to the point of a GFCI breaker anyway.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:52 PM
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While I have been waiting on the electrician, I decided to finish another small piece of the breeding barn project getting the AC unit moved from the garage to the barn. When we moved in the A/C unit was attached in the garage. However, I no use for it in there but I have plenty of uses for it in the barn. Here a some pictures of the progress A/C unit removed from garage and piece of wood put in place of the hole. Sorry I forgot to take an original pic of what it looked like when the A/C unit was installed.  The previous owner left some extra siding which I used over the wood to complete the A/C removal piece of this project.  A/C unit carried to the barn awaiting install  First I installed a 2x4 where I wanted the unit to rest and cut a hole with a saws all. Here is the hole in the barn.  After a couple of modifications to the hole, the AC fit. I installed some support on the outside and testing to make sure it still ran.  I still have to do some trim work and caulking but everything is at least moved and in place.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:28 PM
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You are in Michigan?.So you expect to use it as a heater?
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:11 PM
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No I will get a heater later. The AC is for the summer
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:26 PM
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 Originally Posted by mhowe9
No I will get a heater later. The AC is for the summer
I think Luis was making fun of us in the north... 
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:56 PM
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Well,I don´t know in Mi.,but in Columbus,Oh,I was surprised to get some extreme hot summer weather. Yet,Anthony C.encourages the use of greenhouses for coral farming in the north... So you really need an AC in the fish room?  Don´t you have heat/cold ACs?.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, April 30, 2012 4:49 AM
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We do get days here that are in the 90F's. They probably do make units that both heat and cool. However since the unit was free (or at least came with the house when we bought it), I decided to go with it.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Wednesday, May 2, 2012 7:14 PM
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Lookin good Mike! We need A/C up here too. In Saskatchewan we only get a couple weeks around 36C (97F), but I don't know any reef fish that like their water that warm! When I lived in southern BC we often had a couple weeks around 40C (104F).
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:25 AM
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Finally did have a little break in the weather and the schedule to get the trimming done on the A/C Outside  Inside  Also, confirmation from the electrician that he is coming the 18th.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, May 6, 2012 7:29 PM
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After a trip yesterday to a fish store that was closed down. I have the basic tank structure down. Here is a list of the tanks I have or plan to have: 14 29G 8 20G High 12 20G long 10 10G The plan is to have 2 systems each with a sump and a skimmer. I won't call them Broodstock and grow out since I will probably have some of each in both system. Below are the preliminary plans. Remember the room is 21' long by 15' wide So with only about 8' for the 2 systems I still will have plenty of real estate for the rest of the fish stuff. 
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:56 PM
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Your barn is pretty close to the size of the clownhouse. Mine is 12'x20' with (43) 10g tanks on 3 systems. I did keep everything on one level though. I know I lost the ability of stacking but I do hate the thought of ladders or stools to take care of daily operations.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, May 7, 2012 8:45 AM
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I went today and tried a non stacking version of the plan. Unfortunately the 20Ls are already blackened out (black glass) on the 2 short sides and the back so they can only go long way. I just lost too much space once I tried going to one row.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, May 7, 2012 10:34 AM
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:56 PM
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I took another run at the design today and I think I have it, I only have the 20G Long's stacked in this system. Here is the design that I am going with sans maybe a couple of mods once I get into building it. 
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:24 PM
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Here is the latest with goings on with the barn. I have been able to work when the kids play outside and when go to bed. Here is the progress so far. Insulation installed on the walls.   Hanging of the bath fan. I still have to figure out how to wire it up to the humidistat and run the venting for it 
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, May 14, 2012 5:25 AM
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As far as fans and humidity goes, if you place the air pump/blower (assuming you're likely using one) outside of the fish barn it will act as a fresh air draw as well. Most people put them inside their fish rooms which doesn't make sense. If it is pushing say 60 or 100 liters per minute of fresh, low humidity air from outside into the fish room you may not need to worry too much about dehumidifying. I put a 3" dryer vent in my fish room, and my Coralife Super Luft 65 pump pushes enough air out that humidity is down around 35% in the fish room.
Originally Posted by mhowe9 Unfortunately the 20Ls are already blackened out (black glass) on the 2 short sides and the back so they can only go long way. Are they painted? Pain doesn't stick to glass overly well, so it is quite easy to scrape off with blades. These razor blade scrapers also come in a retractable version that I like better, but the style of blade in it is cheap to replace. You can buy a 50 or 100 pack (can't remember) for $10. Comes in handy for all sorts of scraping jobs in the fish room. I use it to remove Jiffy Marker that I've written on the tanks. 
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, May 14, 2012 10:15 AM
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Black glass, not painted.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, May 14, 2012 4:38 PM
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If you are going to run the fan through a humidistat wire it as though it is just being wired through a switch. Then you just install the humidistat in place of the switch. Very straight forward. Here is the humidistat i use. http://www.amazon.com/Broan-DH100W-Dehumidistat-120V-control/dp/B00155VU5S I bought mine from the local electrical supply house but this is a good price. They wire up exactly like a switch and you adjust the humidity anywhere you want it.
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