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•  Otohime or TDO?

  Author Message TamiW Total Posts : 33 Scores: 0 Reward points : 96 Joined: 9/7/2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:02 PM (permalink) 0 This is probably a simple question for most of you, but I'm wondering which would be better: Otohime or top dressed Otohime? I have astaxanthin, is making TDO as simple as mixing it with Otohime?    This is for some ocellaris clowns. I've raised them a couple times before, switching to crumbled flake, but I want something to bring out their color. Color in the broods I've raised thus far has been kind of 'meh'.   #1 Fishtal Total Posts : 5467 Scores: 37 Reward points : 2908 Joined: 8/31/2006 Location: Waterford, MI, US Status: offline MBI: 585 Pnts MBI Site: MarineLife Aquarium Society of Michigan Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:04 PM (permalink) 0 TDO rocks! You'll see a big difference in coloration with it. http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage "Making captive breeding easier."   #2 GreshamH Total Posts : 757 Scores: 16 Reward points : 600 Joined: 4/27/2011 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:00 PM (permalink) 0 Originally Posted by TamiW This is probably a simple question for most of you, but I'm wondering which would be better: Otohime or top dressed Otohime? I have astaxanthin, is making TDO as simple as mixing it with Otohime?  This is for some ocellaris clowns. I've raised them a couple times before, switching to crumbled flake, but I want something to bring out their color. Color in the broods I've raised thus far has been kind of 'meh'.   Making TDO is not as simple as simply adding Haematococcus (astaxanthin source).  TDO is not just top dressed with Haematococcus (astaxanthin source) but also natural feed stimulant, a natural immune-stimulant and very high grade salmon oil.   http://apbreed.com/produc.tdo_top_dressed_oto.html   You'll need to use an oil to coat the pellet.  Getting the right amount of oil:pellet:powder ratio is tough and takes trial an error.  Then you will need to store it in an air tight, moisture an light proof container under refrigeration if you want any real shelf life.  Astaxanthin oxidizes pretty easily and converts into another form. <message edited by GreshamH on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:01 AM>   #3 TamiW Total Posts : 33 Scores: 0 Reward points : 96 Joined: 9/7/2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:01 PM (permalink) 0 That's what and why I was asking. Thanks Gresham!   #4 GreshamH Total Posts : 757 Scores: 16 Reward points : 600 Joined: 4/27/2011 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:03 PM (permalink) 0 FWIW prior to TDO and SA Hatcherty, everyone just top dressed their own, if they used top dressed.  I didn't mean to make it sound like its not possible, I hope I didn't come off like that.   #5 Fishtal Total Posts : 5467 Scores: 37 Reward points : 2908 Joined: 8/31/2006 Location: Waterford, MI, US Status: offline MBI: 585 Pnts MBI Site: MarineLife Aquarium Society of Michigan Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:17 PM (permalink) 0 Originally Posted by GreshamH  Astaxanthin oxidizes pretty easily and converts into another form. Interesting. What does it convert to and is it bad? http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage "Making captive breeding easier."   #6 GreshamH Total Posts : 757 Scores: 16 Reward points : 600 Joined: 4/27/2011 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:23 PM (permalink) 0 I don't know the correct spelling, but IIRC it converts into astaxan"theen".   I'll connect with Eric tomorrow and get him to break the whole thing down to me once again   IIRC its not bad, just far less effective for what we're using it for.   #7 Fishtal Total Posts : 5467 Scores: 37 Reward points : 2908 Joined: 8/31/2006 Location: Waterford, MI, US Status: offline MBI: 585 Pnts MBI Site: MarineLife Aquarium Society of Michigan Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:25 PM (permalink) 0 Cool, just curious. http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage "Making captive breeding easier."   #8 JimWelsh Total Posts : 1426 Scores: 14 Reward points : 1486 Joined: 1/22/2010 Location: Angwin, CA, US Status: offline MBI: 1845 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:52 PM (permalink) 0 TDO Rocks!!!   #9 Barelycuda Total Posts : 186 Scores: 2 Reward points : 829 Joined: 3/20/2010 Location: Vancouver, WA, US Status: offline MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:50 AM (permalink) 0 IMO there is not even really a comparison between the two.  The TDO is far superior if you are trying to get better color in your clowns.  I did some testing on Ocellaris for Reed Mariculture that showed the differences between regular OTO, OTO with cyclopeze, and TDO and the results are impressive.   #10 EasterEggs Total Posts : 1946 Scores: 19 Reward points : 735 Joined: 9/22/2011 Location: Saskatoon, SK, CA Status: offline MBI: 590 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:17 PM (permalink) 0 TDO FTW!    For the minor cost difference compared to Otohime, I find TDO makes sense.  I'm all about cutting costs where I can, like making my own broodstock food, but I don't bother making my own top dressed growout food when TDO is well priced, comes in great sizes, and is easy to use. Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]   #11 TamiW Total Posts : 33 Scores: 0 Reward points : 96 Joined: 9/7/2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Marine Breeding Initiative (MBI) Re:Otohime or TDO? Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:37 PM (permalink) 0 I ended up ordering TDO B1 and SA Hatchery Feeds .5mm. I'm going to try both. My clowns should be hatching tomorrow, so I expect by the time they are ready for non-live food, the feeds should be here.   #12 Scottt Total Posts : 113 Scores: 0 Reward points : 341 Joined: 12/12/2009 Location: , NY, US Status: offline MBI: 5 Pnts MBI Site: MarineLife Aquarium Society of Michigan Re:Otohime or TDO? Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:16 PM (permalink) 0 Good choices Tami,   It's good to get them the Astaxanthin when young in my experience, definitely smart to start with the TDO B1.   TDO does rock :-)   #13 Online Bookmarks Sharing: Facebook Digg Google del.icio.us StumbleUpon

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