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  Author Message kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Breeding Room Design Help Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:45 PM (permalink) 0 So after some serious thinking I think I'm going to go all out with marine fish breeding. I have a frag tank for my coral fixes, and I have a hard time picking just a few fish for a smaller display. My family room is available to turn into a breeding room. It is 18'x11' and I need help as to how to best use this space. Considering I have 12 species I want to work with for sure, and an ever growing list of future possibilities I want input from the experienced.   A list of fish I want to work with: - Neon Goby - Randall's Watchman Goby - Yellow Watchman Goby - Mandarins - Flame Angel - Potter's Angel - Multicolor Angel - Coral Beauty Angel - Royal Gramma - Black Cap Basslet - Orchid Dottyback - Springeri Dottyback   Future Project Ideas: - Swissguard and/or Candy Basslets - Butterflyfish Species - Moorish Idol - Large Angel Species - Smaller Tangs (tomini, mimic, etc.)   Based on the first list of fish, would I be okay using 10-15g high tanks for broodstock tanks? I thought about doing two tiers of 10 tanks, giving me a total of 20 broodstock tanks. The dwarf angels would have to be in bigger tanks with more height (looking at 55g drums, brute cans, etc.) of course. So 20x 10-15g broodstock tanks and two pelagic spawner tanks (both divided in two to house two pairs, RCT did this for several species)? If I ever get to it, I'd add a large stock tank or similar for any of the future fish like tangs, butterflyfish, idols, etc..   How many larval tanks should I have for this project? I was thinking about using 5-10g round tubs for this, will these suffice? Then I guess one of the most important questions, how many grow out tanks should I have, and how big should they be? I'll then obviously have my culturing shelves for culturing phyto, copepods, brine shrimp, rotifers, etc. Just looking for input from the experienced so I can make use of space efficiently.   #1 kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Thursday, June 6, 2013 8:10 PM (permalink) 0 I may have a good idea for broodstock... I can do two 120g tanks, divide both in half so I can have a total of 4 pairs of Centropyge. I'll dual broodstock each section so I can do a pair of Centropyge with a pair of P. fridmani in one half. I'll get the 120s so they aren't RR so I can drill each myself for collecting the Centropyge eggs.   One question about this, should I put a mandarin pair in here with the Centropyge even though both are pelagic spawners?   #2 Chad Vossen Total Posts : 31 Scores: 0 Reward points : 375 Joined: 8/7/2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 300 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:22 PM (permalink) 0 I like to pack several pairs into the same tank. pair of dottybacks, cardinals, clownfish, mandarins, angelfish could all go into a decently sized tank. If you want to collect just angelfish eggs, pulling one of the mandarins for a day would allow that.   I also like 65 breeder tanks for mandarins and angelfish. easier to view.   #3 kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Friday, June 7, 2013 3:24 PM (permalink) 0 Thanks for chiming in Chad. I think I have a good idea of what I'll do for setting up the breeding room, getting it down on paper now.   #4 Fishtal Total Posts : 5467 Scores: 37 Reward points : 2909 Joined: 8/31/2006 Location: Waterford, MI, US Status: offline MBI: 585 Pnts MBI Site: MarineLife Aquarium Society of Michigan Re:Breeding Room Design Help Friday, June 7, 2013 11:44 PM (permalink) 0 As Chad mentioned you can easily house pairs that have different spawning behaviors in the same tank as long as they are compatible. IE; Clowns spawn in a pot/tile and dottybacks use a PVC pipe.   Demersal spawners are best kept in tanks where you can have some control where they spawn as opposed to a reef tank where you'll have no control. http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage "Making captive breeding easier."   #5 kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Saturday, June 8, 2013 4:05 PM (permalink) 0 Thanks for the help you two! I'm thinking that I'm going to do a mix of 120s and some smaller broodstock tanks. I'm thinking 3x 120 gallon tanks, two of which will be divided for centropyge species, mandarins, and basslets. I'm thinking I can use the third one to observe and trial and error pair some butterflies, moorish idols, and maybe some of the smaller large angel species, somewhat of a test tank. Then I'll set up a couple of smaller tanks for the dottybacks. BTW, would dual brooding gobies and dottys be a bad idea since both would use PVC? I'm thinking 4-7 larval and grow out tanks on their own system. Primary filtration for these systems (broodstock system and the larval/growout system) will be ATS and fuge, and maybe a smaller skimmer.   I got into conversation with RCT (Reef Culture Technologies) about their success with Centropyge species, they used copepods species from first food until the weaning phase.   #6 kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:15 PM (permalink) 0 I think I may have the project laid out.   2 Tier Broodstock System:    -Tier 1: 120g tank divided and drilled for collecting pelagic eggs, 4x 20g High tanks    -Tier 2: 120g tank divided and drilled for collecting pelagic eggs (like Tier 1), 120g tank drilled for collecting pelagic eggs (essentially my free tank to learn more about butterflyfish and moorish idols)     Filtration: 100g rubbermaid stock tank, large ATS and fuge, and maybe bioballs going to see how I can do without a skimmer   2 Tier Larval/Growout System:     -Tier 1: 5x 20g high tanks for growout     -Tier 2: 5x 5 gallon buckets (similar to buckets found at Menards, but black and free from my dad's job)     Filtration: similar to broodstock system filtration   Note that all tanks will be drilled to drain into the central sump for each system and plumbed for return water. Anything I could be overlooking or not thinking about?     #7 Fishtal Total Posts : 5467 Scores: 37 Reward points : 2909 Joined: 8/31/2006 Location: Waterford, MI, US Status: offline MBI: 585 Pnts MBI Site: MarineLife Aquarium Society of Michigan Re:Breeding Room Design Help Monday, June 17, 2013 12:20 AM (permalink) 0 What are you using the buckets for? http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage "Making captive breeding easier."   #8 kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Monday, June 17, 2013 12:28 AM (permalink) 0 Larval fish, I'm thinking about bigger, but haven't found a good sized tub (amount of gallons without being very tall or very wide).    #9 patent Total Posts : 67 Scores: 0 Reward points : 843 Joined: 10/21/2011 Location: eagan, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 95 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Monday, June 17, 2013 1:09 AM (permalink) 0 Originally Posted by kthomas Larval fish, I'm thinking about bigger, but haven't found a good sized tub (amount of gallons without being very tall or very wide).  They can't beat free as a price, but tractor supply has 25 gallon tuff stuff buckets.  I have 2, used a couple times but don't fit my current larval setup.  To find them I had to call around to a couple stores.  I think they have 7 gallon ones too, but that isn't enough different than the 5 gallon you have.     #10 kthomas Total Posts : 76 Scores: 0 Reward points : 528 Joined: 8/13/2012 Location: Northfield, MN, US Status: offline MBI: 0 Pnts MBI Site: Twin Cities Marine Aquarium Society Re:Breeding Room Design Help Monday, June 17, 2013 1:44 AM (permalink) 0 Talked to Tal and Chad and have some ideas of where to look for some BRTs that are a bit larger. The buckets would be a little small for the fish I want to work with, free is just too darn tempting.   #11 Online Bookmarks Sharing: Facebook Digg Google del.icio.us StumbleUpon

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