Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata seticaudata

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Breeding Journal, Species: Lysmata seticaudata - Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:08 AM
Breeding Journal DataSheet
This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system

General
Species:  Lysmata seticaudata
Social Structure:  Two adults
Size of Individuals: Dominant one 5cm, other one 4 cm.
Age of Individuals:  Unkown, came from former tank.
Date added to Tank:  06/05/2013

Broodstock Tank Details
Size of Tank:  70 liter Nano Tank, 55cm (16cm backsump) x 39cm x 39cm
Substrate Details:  Caribbean Sea Special Grade
Filtration Details:  NAC 3.5 PS, 70 gr. of Zeolite, Ceramic in display and live rock in the backsump, 17.liters Refigium with chaetomorpha.
Water Changes:  5 liters with any livestock addition, 10 liters weekly.
Water Temperature:  26 C­°
Lighting:  DIY LED system
Lighting Cycle:  11:00 - 19:00 Blues & 12:00 - 17:00 All On.
Other Tank Inhabitants:  Two juvenile clowns, cleanup crew, some softies, XXS BTA and a SPS frag.

Broodstock Feeding Details
Food Types:  Frozen brine (Golden Gate), dried krill, dried mysis, dried rotifer, NLS small pellets. These are for clowns but shrimp eat as well. Also i see them hunting pods and live mysis in the tank.
Feeding Schedule: Morning after Blue LEDS are on - Afternoon before all LEDS are off. Also hovering the detrius from the bottom randomly with a glassmagnet.

Spawning Details
Date of First Spawn:  07/28/2013
Spawn Time of Day:  Night time
Dates of Consecutive Spawns:  08/17/2013, 08/19/2013(from the small one), 10 days period, 08/26/2013, 09/06/2013, 09/09/2013, 09/16/2013.(small one spawns 3-4 days after the big one, depending on water temprature)
Courtship Details:  Unkown.
Egg Size: 1mm.
Egg Color: Greenish translucent, then turn to gray and silver close to spawn.
Egg Count:  Pleopods fully loaded.

Hatch Details
Hatch Date:  08/07/2013
Hatch Time of Day:  23:00 night time.
# Days after Spawn:  10
Larvae Description:  2- 2,5 mm.in size, pelagic, phototrophic, eyes attached to body, many organs have not developed yet.


Larval Tank Details
Temperature:  26 C°
Size of Larval Tank: Temporarily 5 lt. , will be moved to 60 lt. nursery soon. 
Substrate Details:  None
Other Tank Decor:  None
Filtration Details:  Just aeration.
Lighting:  Ambient room light.
Lighting Cycle:  Ambient.
Water Changes:  %40 from the tank they were born, %40 fresh saltwater, total %80 in the first week.

Larval Feeding Details
Food Types:  Live rotifers ( i was not prepeared for artemia nauplii, trying to supply with new hatched nauplii ASAP), very small amounts; dried rotifers, cyclopeeze, crushed NLS pellets. Nauplii added to the diet since the 3rd day.
Feeding Schedule:  Random. Twice a day.

Metamorphosis/Settlement
Date of Settlement Start:  09/12/2013
Days after Hatch:  36
Date of Settlement End:  09/27/2013
Description of Fry:  10mm. long, transparent small shrimps, benthic, using pleopods for swimming like an adult shrimp.

Grow-Out Tank Details

Temperature:  26 C°
Size of Grow-Out Tank:  5 liter bucket, (moved to 15 liter glass tank).
Substrate Details:  None
Other Tank Decor:  Dead plate coral, Heater, air bubbler, internal mini filter.
Filtration Details:  Regular water changes, internal mini power filter.
Lighting:  Ambient.
Lighting Cycle:  Ambient.
Water Changes:  5 liters from the Nano tank, every other day.
Size at Transfer:  2-4 cm.
Age at Transfer: 72 DPH/36 DPS.

Grow-Out Feeding Details
Food Types:  Frozen brine shrimp, krill flakes, other dry goods, fish roe.
Feeding Schedule:  Twice a day.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:12 AM
Some pics and videos...

 

 

 

 


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Friday, August 9, 2013 3:06 AM
I am really sorry but we have to redefine the spieces, here' s the shot.
 

 
I guess we have a bogessi here, everyone did the same mistake once right ?
 
http://www.mbisite.org/Fo...9004&mpage=1#81776
 
Some more videos...
 

 

 
 

 

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Friday, August 9, 2013 11:29 AM
Hum... This one looks like L. californica to me...
http://www.oceanlight.com/info.php?img=08641
We need someone with more experience on shrimp id to chime in here.
Anderson.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:30 AM
4th.day


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:12 AM
Well this is the 7th. day of the larva still in 5 liters. Feeding with artemia and flakes. Bottom cleaned once and saw that many came with the syphon, removed them one by one and put back into 5 liters. Changed water 4 times, 2 liters from the tank they were born, and two liters of fresh salt water, that makes total %80 in first week. Daily stirring the cup slowly to get flakes stay up in the water coloumn. Thinking of a kreisel design or something like a kalk reactor to stir automaticly next time. It' s exciting to see everyline in April' s book come to life in the past week.

 

 
 

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:08 AM
This is the small one of adults.


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Monday, August 19, 2013 5:56 PM
I had two more spawns after the first one. First came within 10 days from the bigger individual, she released the youngs at 21:00, 2 hours early with an earthquake reported in my area at the same time. I do not know if earthquake had triggered an early spawn.
 
Two days after, the small one spawned tonight at 23:00 (the same as the first one), i could not guess that both were able to carry fertilized eggs. Suprised.
 
The first larva are still in the 5 liter tank, hope they will make it through the third week.
 

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:53 AM
Death came on 13th.day, not all of them but collected about 9-10 larva out of tank.
 

 
Possible reasons are:
-Added too many nauplii on 12th. day., overfeeding? or possible ammonia.
-Skipped water changes for two days.
-Underfeeding.
 
I guess they are really vulnerable to bad water conditions, between 12th and 16th day, that may be they have an important molting stage in in those days.
 
Kirkendoll noted that third and fourth week would be easier to manage, hope things turn out well...
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Friday, August 23, 2013 7:47 PM
That's a good looking adult pictured above, but looks a lot different than my boggessi.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Monday, September 2, 2013 7:28 AM
Well this is the 26th. day...on the 4th week they actually started grabbing young artemia, here's the shot...
 

 
I had a huge planaria and copedpod bloom in the 5 liter container because of heavy flake diet, but they dissapeared after sewere water changes.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:50 PM
Tonight they began settlement, it is 36 dph and two three of them went through meta and became very tiny shrimps.
 

 

 

 
I was also able to film the last molting action before settling...

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Friday, September 13, 2013 2:06 AM
Watch the last molt for Meta here... (HD)
 

 

 

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:49 AM
6 days postmeta, some are still postponing yet...


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:14 AM
Some photos...1st one with adult A.franciscana

 


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:08 PM

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:56 AM
Let the MBI council decide The clearest photo...



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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:52 AM
As I posed to you on your reports - it is just as important for me to ask "what do YOU think"?  You're the one with the animal in front of you afterall...I'm only the one with access to a photo and some diagnostic tools.  Obivously I THINK this is Seticuadata. But what do YOU think?

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:25 AM
With the latest photos i can agree they are L. seticaudata too, thanks.


 

 

 


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Monday, September 23, 2013 12:07 AM
Be sure to update your opening journal post; I noted you have your first spawn and hatch dates as the same date..that's not really possible?  You'll want to clarify all that data so that it agrees with the reports you'll be submitting.
 
FWIW, I think this is awesome - a success (are you at 60 days post settlement yet, or soon?)  with a species we didn't even have classified in the MBI yet!

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Monday, September 23, 2013 3:08 AM
Thanks, i have 4-5 individuals which are 10dps, and the some are still in larval stage(not have meta yet).
As far as i understand;
The first spawn date; is the "first sight of the larva in the water coloumn"?
Then first hatch date should be the same, since eggs hatch as they are released to the water(spawn) with a special hormone released from the female(A.Kirkendoll).
 
But i do not know if MBI reports work that way, so if "spawn report" should be for "the first egg sighting in pleopods" ? That should be like 10 days before "hatch" then.
 
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Monday, September 23, 2013 8:46 AM
Congrats! and the spawn date is the first time you see eggs in the pleopods of the shrimp.  Usually it is just after a molt.  Please take a picture of the adult shrimp holding eggs.
check out Kathy's Clowns, llc website:
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:23 AM
Adult shrimp holding eggs...

 


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:35 AM
56 days post hatch, 20 days post settlement. Only six of the larva had survived.


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:03 PM

 
In their new 15 liters grow-out tank, 72 DPH/36 DPS...

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:03 PM

 
@83DPH 47DPS....feeding on fish roe, frozen artemia & flakes.

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Wednesday, October 30, 2013 6:35 AM
I guess we have a little spawn here...@84DPH-48DPS

 
 

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:44 PM
They are 2 months old, (since settlement of the first larvae)...@97DPH/61 DPS...They all will be 60DPS in 13 days.


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:47 AM
While waiting for report approvals, the  juveniles keep hatching...Tongue



 

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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:51 AM
Their apetite for aptasia...
 


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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: [Insert Species Name Here] - Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:14 AM
That is an awesome video of the shrimp eating the aptasia.  Great job.