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Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Saturday, November 9, 2013 4:04 PM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system General Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata (Collected from Vanuatu) Social Structure: Bonded pair Size of Individuals: Assumed female: 2-2.5"; Assumed male: 3" Age of Individuals: Unknown wild caught individuals Date added to Tank: 08 November 2013 (original pair), 11 April 2014 (replacement pair), 03 June 2014 (new female) Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: 20 gallon long QT tank Substrate Details: Barebottom Filtration Details: HOB Aqueon Filter Water Changes: As often as needed to keep the bottom clean Water Temperature: 80-82*F Lighting: Natural Room lighting from the window currently (Plan is to introduce artificial lighting slowly as the species prefers dim lighting) Lighting Cycle: Sunrise to Sunset (after artificial lighting is introduced the plan is a 10am-10pm schedule) Other Tank Inhabitants: Pair of juvenile Picasso A. percula and a male P. fridmani Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: Hikari mysis, clam on the half shell, etc. as I am finding what they will eat right now Feeding Schedule: 3-4 times per day Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: Spawn Time of Day: Dates of Consecutive Spawns: Courtship Details: Egg Size: Egg Color: Egg Count: Hatch Details Hatch Date: Hatch Time of Day: # Days after Spawn: Larvae Description: Consecutive Hatch Dates: Larval Tank Details Temperature: Size of Larval Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Larval Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: Days after Hatch: Date of Settlement End: Description of Fry: Grow-Out Tank Details Temperature: Size of Grow-Out Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Size at Transfer: Age at Transfer: Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Additional Information (No Pictures or Videos in the Section Please) Miscellaneous Information: Starting the thread now to track my progress with this knowingly difficult-to-keep species. The end goal is to successfully rear eggs from them, but that could be a ways off. This is their first full day with me and they are readily eating mysis shrimp off the bottom of the tank and some from the water column. I attribute my success thus far on the high quality care of Kevin Kohen and his team at Diver's Den as they obtained the two as a special request from me. The pair was in the care of the staff at DD for three weeks prior to being offered to me, and I waited another week to order. Due to the outstanding efforts of the staff at DD, I would like to thank them fully for helping me with my endeavor. As of right now I have the pair in QT as the broodstock tank details show, they will be moved to a 65g aquarium where all of my broodstock fish will be kept after it is up and running. Updates will follow as successes and struggles (hopefully not too many struggles) happen and milestones are reached. You will be required to provide photographic or video evidence in this thread of each event submitted for the MBI Program. If your thread does not contain these photos the MBI Committee will not be able to approve your reports. PHOTOS AND VIDEO S MUST BE PLACED IN ADDITIONAL POSTS, NEVER IN THE FIRST POST IN A JOURNAL.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Saturday, November 9, 2013 8:43 PM
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Good luck! One of my favs!
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:00 AM
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Short video of them eating their breakfast this morning:
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:41 PM
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Give me your clownfish.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Monday, November 11, 2013 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeDigiorgio
Give me your clownfish. They are my investment in the future should I end up a broke college student in the future, it's a bit too early for a return on investment.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Monday, November 11, 2013 6:02 PM
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Let me know if your desperate for a lot of beer money. Good luck with the angels by the way. They look great.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:03 AM
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I'm coming to the conclusion that these two fish will NEED frequent small feedings to do well, though it is still early in the acclimation process under my care. Something I naturally do every time I feed is keep a mental note of feeding behavior and these two fish aren't like the clownfish or dottyback in the sense that they won't gorge themselves until they have very plump stomachs. They'll eat a small amount then take a break, but will take a nibble after several minutes have passed. To cope with this and maintain their weight I feel that a minimum of three feedings will be necessary. An additional feeding or two each day would be ideal, IMO. This being at least until they gorge themselves, if they ever will. To help take care of this I think I will drop a clam on the half shell into the tank in the morning before school and then do 2-3 feedings in the afternoon after school (all depends on what days I work). On the breeding side of things, I think the interactions between the pair are fun to watch. There isn't any physical aggression (fin nipping, attacking, etc.) between the two, but an occasional charge from the larger individual (we'll just call him the male for now) towards the smaller individual (presumed female). I would compare this charge to that of what a female clownfish would do to a subordinate male. Now the female angel will stop in its place curve the body slightly. She won't move until the male nudges her with his mouth (I've seen him nudge the inferior portions of her anal and dorsal fin, as well as the inferior portion of her body before the tail starts and sometimes the caudal fin). Not exactly sure if this is part of solidifying the formation of the pair to keep the female from changing male and keeping the presumed male on the track to becoming male if not already. It could be interesting, and something I will try and get a video of. I'm also going to see how it continues, if it does, into the display tank where they will hopefully spawn in the future. Looking through images, it is similar to this just so you have an idea of what the touch is that I'm talking about. Does anyone know if this is indicative of anything?
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:36 PM
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From the last picture, it looks like you may be feeding too much astaxanthin to your C. multifasciata... lol Nice fishes you have there. I hope you have them spawning soon. Keep us posted.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:15 AM
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Thanks for the encouragement. A minor update: the male ate flake food as aggressively as he eats mysis shrimp. I'm super excited about that and hope the female takes to flakes soon as well.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Monday, November 18, 2013 9:12 PM
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:27 PM
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Looking good! The belly bumping sounds encouraging.
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:47 PM
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Thanks! I haven't been around enough to observe the fish as often since their first few days. As a result I haven't noticed the behavior this past week if it is still happening, which I hope it is. Going to see if I can't get them on to flake or pellets starting this weekend. I will be soaking one or the other in thawing PE mysis and see how that goes (it is how Kevin told me they get most of their fish on to dried prepared foods).
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:52 PM
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Sadly, this will have to be put on hold for awhile now. The female of this stunning pair of fish isn't doing well as of this morning's feeding. Rapid breathing, unable to maintain voluntary posture, and now stuck to the filter intake. I have extremely little hope that she will make it much more than a few hours. Looking back I should have come up with a way to feed her in her own area so she could get more. Comparatively speaking, she got the least amount of food at each feeding. She was also not very adventurous in trying new foods like the larger one is (which I may note is eating flake food without issue). Should the male live through January and in the display, I will be contacting Kevin about getting a smaller specimen (maybe even a juvie) to pair up with him at a later time.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:58 PM
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kthomas, this is very sad news. I really hope she recovers, you may ask if someone else in your local club has a quarantine or other tank to house the female for a few days so she can eat food without competition. If you want some unsolicited advice, here's something I read about and did once to recover a fish. Put it in a bag of water at the same salinity and temperature as the display tank, but also dissolve fructose in the bag. I don't remember how much fructose. Just by respirating for a few hours, the female will absorb enough sugar to hopefully tide her over for a few more days until you may get her eating again. Just don't put the bag contents back into your main tank, it could cause a disaster.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Monday, November 25, 2013 12:37 AM
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She passed away shortly after I posted earlier. The main focus is going to be keeping the male in good shape and getting the display set up and cycling. From there, I'll slowly add in what I have for fish (probably the angel last so some algae and other things grow for it to graze on). After all fish I have are in the display tank I will then see what I can do about sourcing a small individual or two or possible getting another pair of angelfish for a fuge drum I will set up to work with them until I can get another multibar.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Monday, November 25, 2013 6:32 PM
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Sorry to hear. I would suggest you quarantine a new fish and then add them both to the display at the same time.
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:44 PM
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More bad news. It turns out that the death of the female wasn't completely due to starvation like I had initially thought was the case. Yesterday I noticed that an orchid dottyback and the male looked ill with the orchid having skin discoloration; the multibar had fin damage from the disease; both having rapid breathing, and shaking in the water column from discomfort. I contacted Kevin of the issue and he did suggest I get my hands on Ionic Copper and Formalin to treat the fish (this would cover Cryptocaryon, Amyloodinium, and Brooklynella). I was unable to find any stores or anyone who had a copper medication other than Cupramine (this cannot be used with Formalin). The next best thing was a friend who gave me some Chlorquine Phosphate, which reportedly works well for the treatment of the three listed diseases above. The clownfish pair are the only surviving fish in this tank and are undergoing treatment. Here's hoping for the best! On the bright side, Kevin noted that he is going to stand behind both fish and will provide me with a second pair of these beauties after I'm through this mess of a situation. Kevin is great to work with, and himself and his team do a wonderful job at DD. I will never be able to thank them enough for all of the support and work they have provided me so far.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Sunday, December 1, 2013 9:30 AM
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FWIW, if you use Formalin, you don't need to use copper. Both Formalin and especially copper are hard on the fish - not gentle treatments. If the fish is too far gone, it won't stand the copper treatment on top of the Formalin dips. Chloroquine phosphate also covers all three diseases, and is my preferred method of treatment. I sure wouldn't call CP "the next best thing" - in my opinion it IS the best thing. That's great you found some as it can be difficult to get your hands on. CP is very easy to use though, and gentle on the fish compared to Formalin and copper. I quit using copper about 10 years ago when I discovered a better method of treatment (Formalin). Now that I discovered CP some years ago I don't use Formalin much either. I'm always surprised to hear that people still use those nasty copper treatments.
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Friday, April 11, 2014 5:39 PM
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Well guys, this project is back on! Kevin got a replacement pair soon after the loss of the first and all went well for about a month. Sadly the male in the pairing succumb to an illness, and Kevin went on the hunt once again for a new pair. I then was update at the beginning of the year that shipment from Vanuatu was coming in and Kevin was hoping for a decent pair. Well, a good pair he found! The fish were placed in his office tank and over the course of three months, were acclimated to captivity. By early March, PE mysis and brine shrimp were a staple in their diets and would be consumed greedily. Over the course of March, Kevin took the time to start training them to eat pellets for me. He told me that they will eat NLS and TDO pellets, but not with the same vigor as mysis or brine shrimp. Now come to today, I have the pair acclimating! The customer service couldn't have been better in any way. My mom brought the box in while I was at school and texted me that the box was heavy. On a side note, I received and email from Chris to check up on the arrival of the pair (the service just at this point was astounding). Not really believing my mom, I rush home after school and try picking up the box. Much, much heavier than anticipated. The box is taken to the QT room and opened up to reveal two very large bags for the fish and a small bag of pellets from Kevin. As I take the bags out to temperature acclimate the two, I realized rather quickly that they were displacing 5 gallons worth of water! The size of the bags was awesome, and the pellets were the icing on the cake for this shipment. Not sure I can ever put into words how much I appreciate this level of care for just two fish. Kevin is a pleasure to work with, and is definitely going to be one of two sources for future purchases.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species: Paracentropyge multifasciata
Monday, May 12, 2014 8:19 PM
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I've been forgetting to get my updates in all the places I've been keeping a thread on my experience with the species. Here are some updates that I haven't posted and a new one for today. 4/11/2014 The box with 5g of water for both fish: Just after acclimation: 4/14/2014 Quick little update on the new pair: They have settled in well and seem to be catching on to the idea of where food comes from rather quickly. Not begging like my clowns do, but will stare at me when I'm in the room. Both will eat PE mysis readily, but are still at a stage of what I consider needing 4 feedings per day. They typically won't eat more than a few large mysis shrimp per sitting (they are still small, I would say the small one is about the size of the original female and the larger just about half an inch larger), and as such will keep up with smaller more frequent feedings. They might eat some more in a sitting if I bumped the temp up some (76ish right now), but that'll come slowly after several weeks. Brine shrimp is taken with the same amount of gusto, but more shrimp is eaten due to a smaller size. On the pellet/flake front, they don't pay these foods any attention. I did slip a couple pellets in with a mysis feeding today and one of them tried a pellet, immediately spitting it out. Just for the sake of variety, I through in a clam on the half shell today. They were very cautious of it. The smaller one took very tiny nibbles out of it, but nothing more than that.
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