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The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:21 PM
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I am sure there are several people out there who may have Centropyge eibli and Centropyge flavissima in the same tank with fingers crossed that they will spawn. Here's a question I have: Considering 'close' to optimal conditions (water quality, nutrition, aquarium size, etc). Would the probability of these fish spawning increase whether the brood stock came from the same geographic location or not? For example: If I paired a Centropyge eibli male from the Indo Pacific with a Centropyge flavissima female from Fiji, would the chances of them spawning successfully be just as probable as pairing a Centropyge eibli male from Indo Pacific and a Centropyge flavissima female (blue eyed) from Cocos island or would it even matter? In the wild, Tigerpyge are collected typically in and around Java and Bali where Centropyge flavissima are rare. Just curious what you guys think.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:35 PM
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That's a good question for an icthiologist (not sure if I'm spelling that right). In the fish hobbyist world, a fellow Virginian named John Coppolino knows quite a lot about angels. He contributes on reef central. Also John Fenner knows a lot, but I don't know how to get hold of him. On this forum, Matt Pedersen has written some very good angelfish articles.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Thursday, June 4, 2015 9:55 PM
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I guess the same could be asked of Centropyge multifasciatus x Centropyge venustus
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:09 PM
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This would certainly make for a good discussion at the MBI Workshop in July.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Friday, June 5, 2015 6:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishtal
This would certainly make for a good discussion at the MBI Workshop in July. I wish I could make it to this workshop. I have so many questions lol
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Friday, June 5, 2015 7:13 AM
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I guess in order to dig into this question a little deeper, I could ask: Are there certain genetic traits that would stimulate a pair to spawn if they were collected from the same geographic location? I am aware that there has been some hybridization among pygmy angels from two totally different oceans (Atlantic and Pacific) due to human intervention. With that said, obviously the question above sort of gets squashed somewhat but it's just something I think about
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Friday, June 5, 2015 9:10 AM
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I think a bigger factor then others is the proximity of the potential breeders to each other. If they have been together since juveniles, and others of the species are not available then breeding is much more possible, and probable, all other factors being supportive. Acculturation is a powerfull factor.
Jake We are all in this together
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:19 PM
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That's a nice looking pair of fish.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Monday, June 8, 2015 7:01 AM
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Thanks. The Eibli is prettier than the pic shows. It's more yellow/orange looking than the picture shows. I will try to post a video tonight.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Monday, June 8, 2015 8:34 AM
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Beautiful pair ! How long have they been together? If theres no other Centropyge in the big tank you could be well on the way
Jake We are all in this together
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Monday, June 8, 2015 8:35 AM
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Beautiful pair ! How long have they been together? If theres no other Centropyge in the big tank you could be well on the way
Jake We are all in this together
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Monday, June 8, 2015 9:50 AM
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There are no other centropyge in the tank. My 300 gallon has one large bicolor angel that has been there for four years. I will probably relocate him to another tank in order to keep a territorial dispute from erupting. Plus I would like to keep this pair as the only Centropyge fish in the tank.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:24 PM
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I think one of the most important considerations to note is that the Indian Ocean Lemonpeel is slightly visually different than the Pacific one. This might in fact be enough in the future to consider them separate species, although I don't think to date that's been brought up and maybe they'll remain as one - I'd have to go look at some of the past writings by Joe Rowlett and Luiz Rocha to see where that Indian Ocean fish stands genetically. Regardless of that, the important point to ponder is probably not whether they will be more or less likely to interbreed, but whether the Indian Ocean fish would have a different impact on the hybrid results vs. the Pacific Lemonpeel. Chances are the difference would be very minimal, but who knows? NO one does, until someone does a whole bunch of breeding and documents the answers! So for now, the important part from where I sit would be to simply make sure that you note which form of Lemonpeel you're using. If you want to stay "True to nature", then without a doubt, the Indian Ocean Lemonpeel would be the only choice for broodstock.
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:32 PM
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Matt These are my thoughts exactly. I never see the Indian Ocean variant except only rarely in DD on LiveAquaria. Are there other suppliers that import these fish ever so often?
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:54 AM
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Randall et als report a large number of hybrids compared to the number of species . Its not rare to occur, which is why I think acculturation is very plausible. And why we see so many species closely resembling others. I am thinking that you are well on the way to having a spawning pair, given growth and conditioning continuing. I think the odds are in your favor. I
Jake We are all in this together
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:05 AM
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"IF" this pair spawned and "IF" the fry were successfully raised to adulthood, I wonder if the offspring would possess the blue ring around the eye that is common with Pacific Lemonpeels. For example:
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Sunday, June 14, 2015 8:37 AM
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Time will tell, once you get the hybrids then you can select for that. You'll only have some hundreds to select among First things first. Good luck with them !
Jake We are all in this together
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Friday, June 19, 2015 8:08 PM
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Re:The pursuit of Tigerpyge
Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:16 AM
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Looking good for a pair!! Real eye candy.
Jake We are all in this together
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