Breeding Journal, Species: Synchiropus sp. "Ruby Red"

General
Species: Synchiropus sp. "Ruby red" 
Social Structure:  2 females, one male in friend's tank, one male, one female in my tank      
Size of Individuals:  friend's:male is about 2 inches, females 1.5 inches . Mine: about 1.5 inches both
Age of Individuals:  unknown
Date added to Tank:   friend's:females added 4/26/15. mine: both added 8/6/15  

Broodstock Tank Details
Size of Tank:   friend's:240 gallon , mine: 15 gallon
Substrate Details:   friend's:barebottom full reef tank , mine: bare bottom with lots of PVC
Filtration Details:   friend's:protein skimmer and algae scrubber . mine: sponge filter from live rock tank
Water Changes:   friend's:100 gallons every 3 weeks . mine: gallon a week
Water Temperature:  80-82F
Lighting:  friend's: metal halide 400watt x 3 of them . mine: cfl about 2 ft away
Lighting Cycle:   friend's:lights are on from 1pm to 10pm . mine 14 hours daylight, 10 hours night
Other Tank Inhabitants:  friend's: full reef tank with other fish . mine: Two wurdemanni shrimp, small crab, small brittle star.

Broodstock Feeding Details
Food Types:  friend's:forage for copepods, male will eat frozen mysis every once in a while.  Tank is fed 2 times/day with pellets, but owner thinks the rubys don't eat them.  mine: lots of copepods in tank, got to try to train them.                        
Feeding Schedule:  Two times a day

Spawning Details
Date of First Spawn:   friend's:unknown, they spawn frequently, for hatch report, 6/28/2015
Spawn Time of Day:   friend's:evening as light go out
Dates of Consecutive Spawns:   friend's:6/30/2015 ,…, July 14, 2015, Aug 4 and 5, 2015 
Courtship Details:   friend's:Like other synchyropus, they lock fins and rise in the water column before releasing gametes
Egg Size: tiny, about 0.75mm
Egg Color:  translucent
Egg Count:  about 10 for the hatch report, in subsequent spawns, as many as 50, or at least that was what was found floating

Hatch Details
Hatch Date:  6/29/15 , Aug 5 and 6, 2015
Hatch Time of Day:  evening after dark
# Days after Spawn:  1
Larvae Description: 1.5-2 mm long, translucent prolarvae, head and body curled around clear yolk, no oil globule, no eyes, mouth or gut yet, but darting with tail movements.  
Consecutive Hatch Dates:  7/1/15 , 7/15/15, and many more unreported.              


Larval Tank Details
Temperature:  77F , water bath
Size of Larval Tank:  2 gallons in  a pretzel jar       
Substrate Details:  none , detritus
Other Tank Decor:  none
Filtration Details:  none, water changes, rigid airline     
Lighting:  40 watt CFL clamped close to top side, @ 1 o'clock to avoid the opaque jar lid.       
Lighting Cycle:  none. Lights on 24/7.
Water Changes:  2 liters daily starting at day 5&6 (two days' hatches in one jar) to remove adult copepods, replacing nauplii

Larval Feeding Details
Food Types: initially live phytoplankton (Isochrysis, Tetraselmis , Rhodomonas),later just Iso., Parvocalanus crassirostris nauplii twice a day.
Feeding Schedule:  constant, Isochrysis evaluated daily and corrections made, Parvocalanus crassirostris nauplii added twice a day. 

Metamorphosis/Settlement
Date of Settlement Start: 
Days after Hatch: 
Date of Settlement End: 
Description of Fry: 

Grow-Out Tank Details
Temperature: 
Size of Grow-Out Tank: 
Substrate Details: 
Other Tank Decor: 
Filtration Details: 
Lighting: 
Lighting Cycle: 
Water Changes: 
Size at Transfer: 
Age at Transfer: 

Grow-Out Feeding Details
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Feeding Schedule: 

Additional Information
http://www.fishbase.org/P...lsSummary.php?ID=66423
this fish looks like the bottom picture. But I guess the scientific name is undecided.
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Miscellaneous Information: 
From Jake Adams at REefbuilders:
http://reefbuilders.com/2...eous-worldwide-splash/
The guesses as to which species of Synchiropus the Ruby Red dragonet belongs to have ranged from Synchiropus moyeri, to Synchiropus morrissoni to the recently described Synchiropus tudorjonesi. Morrisson and Moyer’s dragonets have been ruled out on a variety of meristic values and although the ruby red dragonet look a helluva lot likeS. tudorjonesi, it is significantly different from the latter to be a different species, perhaps undescribed and unknown to science. We even dug up some pictures of the also unknown Synchiropus rubrovinctus but that species is also pretty distinctive, and not like the Ruby Red Dragonet currently under scrutiny.

Read more: http://reefbuilders.com/2013/04/19/rubyb-red-dragonet-simultaneous-worldwide-splash/#ixzz3ego34Xij

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I thought the eggs were dead, because they were no longer floating, and I couldn't find them, so I left them in their little cup by the microscope overnight.  In the morning, cleaning up, I saw a couple of little darters, so I got one on a petrie dish in a drop of water and took some pix through the microscope.  Also took some later in the day. 
 
After their photoshoot, I drip acclimated them into the larval BRT, already set up to take some other young larvae that have not hatched yet.  It's actually a tub that failed to sustain my Damsel larvae so there are lots of dead bodies in there.  Also a ton of ciliates and Parvocalanus in all life stages.  I'm feeding it live phytoplankton, the 3 kinds I'm growing. After work, I was surprised to find one of the little guys and able to get a few decent pictures of him or her. Tonight I may get some more eggs to add to the tub.

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with euterpina for size ref.

 

 

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Here's Papa and a previous egg strand:

 

 
 

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He is a beauty.

What is up with that egg strand?

I can't find anything in the tub besides copepods at the moment.  They are so thick, a flashlight reveals a sea of light dots.  Impossible to see larvae.  I'll keep feeding the tub in the hopes that larvae will grow to be visible.

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Thats a beautiful poppa!
 

Thanks for this Kathy, he is a beauty and as usual your pics are awesome. I wish you great success with these.

Jake
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Thanks everyone, but that is not my papa fish, and not my pictures either of him.  I do hope to acquire a couple in a week or two.  These are fish from a local friend.  He gave me the eggs to hatch out myself.
 
The microscope pix of the newly hatched larvae are mine.

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Following along, Good luck with these!
 

Next time you're there, any chance you could get a picture of Mama?

I've never been there, I meet him at his gym. He's very cooperative though, and I'll ask him for a pic of the fem.

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I got more eggs tonight.  About 50 of them.  pix later.  I set up a new tub, but I'm going to put some eggs or hatchlings in the older tub with the 14 day old watchman goby larva and his friend the damsel larva. I'm having limited success with that tub.
You never know.

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Here's egg pix just before hatch:

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they hatched late, and I got them in the morning and distributed to the two tubs.  The larvae look just like the pictures earlier in this thread.

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My friend took some pix of his parental fish, a trio:
Female:

Male:

 

 

 

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The Ruby larvae in the new tub is doing OK it seems.  Still a lot of swimmers. The damsel larvae in the same tub seem to have died out immediately.  Not sure why, but the same damsel hatch is doing well in the watchman tub.

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My buddy kept some of his eggs in a closed small container at room temp for 9 days while he was out of town.  When he came back they were still swimming. Hmmm.  I want to find out how long until their eyes pigment and they develop a mouth.
 
I think I can see the fishlike bodies, without reflective eyes, in both tub 1 and tub 2, but there's a lot going on in both tubs, and I could be wrong.

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Ruby larvae in tub 2 have eyes, this is day 3, and mouths that gape pretty far wide, and tiny spots on the body and a film of something where the fins should be.  I tried to take pix, but I need batteries for the camera.  Perhaps later

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This is exciting KathyL.  DO IT. CLAIM A SPECIES FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoot wait..you need to spawn them too.  That can come!

Wouldn't that be swell?
 
Day 4 tub2, still alive and swimming, now with eyes and a wide opening mouth, and green guts. I'll be darned tooting, if they are not eating rotifers.  Is it possible? They are a little yellow in color with tiny spots, and green guts.  I haven't found any reports of the length of the larval period, but these guys sure develop fast, from eyeless and mouthless to fully functioning in 4 days!






 

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IN the bag!!!
 
Yeah, if you get hatch, settlement and 60 DPS, you'll have an invite to write about it for CORAL LOL...but you'll need print worthy pictures for print (maybe we team up with a good photographer).  And you'd have to get a pair and spawn them once to get that missing piece of the puzzle!

Oh and you can rear mandarins on only rotifers..it just doesn't work well and you don't get many.  But if they're eating them....
You might be our first Class D report too...
Not offering any pods like Parvo? 

Oh, Honey, I'm offering the kitchen sink!
Parvo, ciliates, apocyclops, euterpina, tisbe, (brine shrimp, not on purpose), and two sizes of rotifers in the Tub1, just the small ones in Tub2 from which these pictures came. 
 
Remember NicoleC? "Don't count your gobies until they metamorphosize…"

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Just a few little details.
 

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Just one other note: I have some in tub 1 as well.  From the flashlight, the eyes don't reflect light, and the larvae are opaque, not clear.  They look white, but they dart at food, and apparantly, live.  Life is beautiful.

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Sooooooooooooo jealous of this thread I don't think you understand. Keep it up this looks like its all yours.

Wow, this is awesome! And you mentioned the owner of the broodstock pair had some larvae survive to 9 days in a simple container & nothing else? Maybe these little things will show us that the KISS principle still applies! Meanwhile, my ruby reds still refuse to spawn......

I'll be following close, this is the proverbial nail biter!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ken

I get these details wrong sometimes.  I am not sure of the 9 days data.  I need to confirm with the owner.

edit: got info from owner/breeder. They live 6 days. All dead on day 7

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Day 4: From Tub2:






 

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Day 4 Tub1: I had more trouble getting pix this time. larvae moved. back tired. excitement over evelynae spawn,,,,

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You mean other than yours?

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I could only fine one in tub2 today, none in tub1.
 
I only need one...
 
The larva in tub2 does this cute thing where it will dart at food, and then curl and change direction. It is opaque and pink-ish by the light of my flashlight.

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Is it possible to see what it is he's choosing to eat out of the soup? Or at least determine if its copepod or rotifer?

no.  can't tell.  even with a microscope.
 
Can't even find him today.  He might still be alive, though.  I'll keep the tub going for a few more days.  Maybe he'll turn up.

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I don't think any lived past 6 days, which is the record for anyone as far as I know.  Not sure if it is the starvation day either at 78F.

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Friend Tom Priscu gave me eggs tonight.  We met at a LFS and kept them from closing while I got a pair of ruby reds of my own, and he got a mandarin, the biggest one I've ever seen. Rubys are acclimating right now. Eggs are hatching.  I'll put the larvae in with the damsels in the pickle jar, since I'm feeding it what I would be feeding the ruby larvae.  
 
Tom's pair seem to spawn every night.  He gave me eggs(dead) and larvae(live) from August 4 and eggs from August 5.  I'll have to acclimate the hatchlings to the pretzel jar.
 
very excited to have a pair of my own.

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I ended up putting the larvae and unhatched eggs in a 1 liter jar of their own with some of the water, phyto and pods from the damsel pretzel jar They weill acclimate overnight and then this morning I will transfer the live ones to the damsel jar.

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Indeed it can come. It might not be too hard!  24 hours after introducing them to the QT, they are flirting and doing rises holding fins. She has a nice little round belly, but no eggs were spotted. 

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