I recently posted this on Reed's page on Facebook but should probably share it here as well. This is my batch of Banggai Cardinals that has been raised from day one on Otohime. They were feed two batches of BBS about a week after release as insurance since I was goign away fro a 3 day weekend but other than that almost all Otohime A, B1, and now some of the new TD Oto C1
 

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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That's awesome. Now I just need a breeding pair of Banggai to try this myself

Very nice i am using othohime a with my lysmata anboiensis and it seems to work ok

Thanks guys..
 
The trick for me was getting the right amount amount of flow in the tank so the Otohime moves around but not so much that babies are burning tons of energy trying to hold their ground in the current.

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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Yep, it is all about the flow.  I don't use oto, but I also raise my fry on non-live food and have very good success.  They are actually fed the same exact things as the parents, just shaved.
 
My next batch comming up for sale was my first attempt using all frozen food. 
 
Release count was 35, I refused to feed any live food, so I played around with flow patterns until i saw solid striking behavior on a consistent basis.  At day 10 I had lost 11, but I had not found the right flow patter until about day 5 or so.  After that I have lost only 1.  I have raised several other batches using non-live food, so I could reproduce results I was seeing.  The last two batches I worked with, same feeding regiment, tank size, etc...only difference was in flow.  I had done this experiement once before and had the same results.
 
Flow matching the pattern I found, I lost a total 40% by day 60.  Using 'whatever' flow on another batch, same parents and feeding regiment, I had lost 90%.  My previous attempt at this experiement was was 20% loss on 'flow' and 90% loss on 'whatever'.
 
So I am convinced for bangaii, live food OR flow are critical poeces.

Actually when it came around to selling time on this batch I was able to do a final count and through the whole process I had only lost 2 fish. It seems that I found the right amount of flow on try #1. The tank that the babies where in also had a decent amount of LR in it. I suspect that this created places for the fry to get in and out of the current as they saw fit. So there were areas of high flow and lots of food movement and outside of feeding time the fry could move to lower flow areas to save energy.

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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That is helpful to understand what i meant ! Is that the same thing that works for you Caesra ?

Anderson.

I actually raise them in barebottom.  I keep one fake plant in with them, which they tend to hide in.  I have tried to figure out how to explain the flow pattern but I haven't succeeded yet.  Let's say flat and turbulent but not high flow.  Which would match what penney said, as that is what would occur when high flow wraps around a rock.
 
Maybe some day I ought to just put some pearls in the water and get out the video cam.
 
 

I once bought some very young banggais and put them in with my juvenile clownfish.  I prepared to give them NHBS, but I noticed that very quickly, they were eating and growing on the 4x a day Otohime that the clownfish were getting.  Made it very easy for me!

BTW Ceasra. It's Chad, Penney is my last name

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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yep..I just always call everyone by the easiest part of their forum names so others know who I am referring to.  So you are penney. =)

Great work Chad!

Doni Marie~

 How about CMP??? That is usually the next fall back..

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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Do i detect a lack of desire to be called penney?
 
Just imagine someone meeting you for the first time and thinking 'your not a girl'!!!

It's a family thing, Really drives my wife nuts. It happens to her all the time at places where they having things filed Last name first, like at doctor's offices. Which makes no sense to me as they look at those things all day long and KNOW that they are Lastname, Firstname...
 
So in short yes there is a lack of desire to be called "penney" Just remember it can be dangerous to tick off the guy the does all the coding here

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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Do you ship?
I'd be interested in several of them.

Doni Marie~

I'm tapped out at the moment. My good male dissappeared while on Vacation and I'm trying to get more Brood stock in place as we speak. I have whatI think is a male in QT right now that I've gotten weaned onto pellet food and should be coming out soon.
 
These hot temps aren't helping much either as I'm starting to think they have something to do with the males not holding to term.

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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I have about 30 some left, all juvies of course.  But I don't have a clue how to ship fish.

Shipping is easy and safe with the proper materials and knowledge. Someone should start a "How To Ship" thread

Doni Marie~

The easy way:  http://www.shipyouraquatics.com/
Jeff

heh..too bad they don't actually do what they advertise =)
 
I suppose I could give it a whirl if I find out how.  I will do some homework, need to learn sometime.  I absolutely hate the idea of shipping fish, always have.  I hand deliver fish in chicago because of this reason.  Cheaper to ship them, but I actually drive them in.  I know, I am weird.

 
Good to know!   Thx Jeff.

Might want to check this page: http://www.shipyouraquatics.com/en/a_note_to_our_valued_customers

http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage
"Making captive breeding easier."

[sound of shreeching tires]

Chad Penney - MBI Council
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Interesting. That would be a very good resource for those that do not ship a lot.

Doni Marie~

 
I felt the same way when I first started shipping. What I did was ship just a few inexpensive fish to a few people as 'tests' to help relieve my worries. You can probably get used insulated boxes and bags from your LFS for free or at a reduced cost. 

Doni Marie~

I realize I am breathing life into an old thread, but I thought some here may find the information useful for shipping fish: https://srac.tamu.edu/index.cfm/event/getFactSheet/whichfactsheet/218/

Back to the topic, I am SO going to try to raise my Banggai on TDO.  That would be so easy.

I have one batch of baby bangaii's.  I did start feeding them with bbs and tdo both just to make sure they were eating.  It took me about a week to wean them off the bbs and they have been off ever since.  They just get TDO and cyclopeeze now.

 
How long has that been up?

I looked that site over. Sounds fishy to me (hee). First they talked about Ups, and then they said they were working with FEDEX. Which?

Hopefully Fedex...  UPS is like no-name brand shipping.  Eek.

I think we got a little off topic here...

http://www.fishtalpropagations.com/#!home/mainPage
"Making captive breeding easier."

Besides TDO, what other prepared foods are people using?  Anyone using crushed up flake food?

My juvenile bangaii's eat TDO C2 & EP1, crushed flake(when I say crushed flake it is just made a little smaller in my fingers not real small), rod's fish only food, cyclopeeze, just about anything I put in the tank they go right after.

Chad, I cannot think of a more timely post for me to stumble across