Change Page: < 123 > | Showing page 2 of 3, messages 21 to 40 of 41 - powered by ASPPlayground.NET Forum Trial Version
Author
|
Message
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Sunday, May 9, 2010 7:32 PM
( permalink)
I don't think my rot culture is up to the task..It just doesn't look like Tal's did. I don't know if I did something worng or what the deal is but I'm starting to wonder if there are any rot's in there at all. I'm loosing larvae like crazy now. Siphoned out a bunch of dead ones off the bottom this morning. It may have been that the trauma of the surf ride through all the pumping to get all the way to the second sump.. I'm for sure going to get some tiles in the tank tomorrow night so I can just move the next batch before they hatch..I'm also going to try to get at least one more culture of rot's going...
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Sunday, May 9, 2010 8:28 PM
( permalink)
Keep it up, you'll get the hang of it.
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Sunday, May 9, 2010 8:47 PM
( permalink)
Ohh.. I have no plans to stop now.. I want my first fishy!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Monday, May 10, 2010 6:13 PM
( permalink)
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:53 PM
( permalink)
Well I still have probably 50 larvae. I'm sure that my Rot culture is just not holding up but my efforts must be doing some good because I searched my sumps last night for the other 1000 that I didn't pull out and couldn't find a single one. In my desperation to try to get some food in there I siphoned a bunch of the swarms of copepods out of my sump and put it in the tank, My hope is that at least some of those pods have egs ready to hatch or there where already naupli in the swarms that got transfered over so I got some tiny pods in there for them to eat. I also put 4 tiles in the parents tank so the next time they lay I can easily remove the eggs before they hatch this time.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:07 AM
( permalink)
I talked with Tal a bit last night and made a few changes. While the larvae are still alive they don't seem to be getting any bigger, Tal thought that especially with my low rot count in my culture they might be burning too much energy. I guess my green water isn't green enough. I thought that the purpose of the green water was to provide food for the food while it was in the tank to keep it enriched. I guess it also makes it so they can't see as far and don't waste energy swimming around after food from one end of the tank and back again. So I added more phyto to the tank. Also I remembered Tal saying some time ago that he left the lights on 24/7 to allow the larvae to eat more. So I was doing the same thing. Well what I forgot was that he was talking about Dotty's and that only works with high rot counts. Since I neither have Dotty's or a high rot count once again I'm just having them burn energy all night long. So last night I turned the light off to let them rest. This morning I turned the light back on and added more rotifers from the culture to the tank. We'll see what I end up with when I get home tonight. If anyone near Lansing, Jackson, Hillsdale, or Coldwater has any nice dense rot cultures that I can get a jump start from please let me know. I'm desperate here!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:37 AM
( permalink)
That Tal guy is a pretty smart fella. Hopefully your fry keep fighting as hard as you do.
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:44 AM
( permalink)
I can only hope.. I put the message out again that I'm looking for someone with Rot's aroudn where I live or work. Hoping that I'll be able to start a second culture and get more dense food for my fry!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:50 AM
( permalink)
Chad, one thing that you might try is rotifeast. I did that when I had low rots counts on my occys. I might be expensive and not the best alternative but might help you in the event that you don't find any rots.
Originally Posted by cmpenney
I talked with Tal a bit last night and made a few changes. While the larvae are still alive they don't seem to be getting any bigger, Tal thought that especially with my low rot count in my culture they might be burning too much energy. I guess my green water isn't green enough. I thought that the purpose of the green water was to provide food for the food while it was in the tank to keep it enriched. I guess it also makes it so they can't see as far and don't waste energy swimming around after food from one end of the tank and back again. So I added more phyto to the tank. Also I remembered Tal saying some time ago that he left the lights on 24/7 to allow the larvae to eat more. So I was doing the same thing. Well what I forgot was that he was talking about Dotty's and that only works with high rot counts. Since I neither have Dotty's or a high rot count once again I'm just having them burn energy all night long. So last night I turned the light off to let them rest. This morning I turned the light back on and added more rotifers from the culture to the tank. We'll see what I end up with when I get home tonight. If anyone near Lansing, Jackson, Hillsdale, or Coldwater has any nice dense rot cultures that I can get a jump start from please let me know. I'm desperate here!
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:52 AM
( permalink)
I'll have to see if they have any locally. If not maybe Preuss has some in stock up there. I'm willing to try anything at this point!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:04 PM
( permalink)
I did see the fish take it when I fed it so I know they eat it.
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:01 PM
( permalink)
Chad I have been having trouble keeping rotifer density up in my larval tank also. How do you harvest your rotifers? I figured out that I have been killing the rotifers in the transfer from the culture bucket to the larval tank. I did this by shaking the rotifer screen to get the water to come out faster, while I did this the rotifers clumped together so I was only getting a few rotifers to survive. I leave my lights on in my larval tank for 16 hours a day. Also do you have any bubbles to create flow in your larval tank, maybe the larvae aren't growing because they are swimming to get the food and they are expelling the same amount of energy that they are taking in. I have also had this happen before where the larvae take three weeks to reach metamorphosis. And finally I have always had higher survival rates when I mix Rotifer HD with live phytoplankton. Just an idea, let me know if you need anymore information on siphoning the larvae or stuff like that because I have done that before too .
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:15 PM
( permalink)
I was able to find some Rotifeast so I will be putting some in the tank as soon as I get home. I also noticed that it says they are live so it seems like I should be able to use them to kick start the culture as well. Shouldn't I? I'm harvesting them by just scooping water out of the culture and dumping it into the tank. Then adding phyto and fresh water to replace what was removed. Everything was soo rushed that I don't have any mesh or sieves to really do it any other way. The problem seriousily appears to be the culture itself I just don't see rots in there not like what I see in the the Rotifeast bottle or what Tal's culture looked like. So the problem I don't think is getting them from the culture to the tank but in the culture itself. I do have bubbles in the larval tank but based on the conversation about the flow through design I was under the impression that creating a gentle current in the tank is a good thing. Plus this is in my basement and without some flow in the tank the water will stratify pretty markedly without something to create some sort of turn over. I probably could turn it down a little bit more but it already is just barely on now. I ordered some Roifer HD and Instant Algae and need to go pick it up. Right now I'm just using Phytofeast until I can run up and pick the stuff up. Which needs to be very soon as I'm almost out.
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:24 PM
( permalink)
Well came home today and I'm down to about 20 fry now. Not good. I did add a bunch of RotiFeast to the tank and added some to my culture as well. I also remembered that I had some Golden Pearls I bought a while back ( 50-100micron ) and I put some of that in the tank. I noticed right away that they where going after the GP. Maybe throwing the kitchen sink at them has finally paid off. On another note I noticed my female acting odd today. After watching her for a while it's looking like she is getting ready to spawn again! Hopfully I'll be posting some video of them in action tonight!
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:02 PM
( permalink)
Cool, yeah your problem is probably density in the larval tank because if you are adding the water out of the culture you probably aren't getting high rofiter density. I would highly reccomend getting some mesh. And usually you can bring back a rotifer culture, right now I have one that has really low density but it seems to be coming back. Just stay with it you will get it soon .
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:13 PM
( permalink)
I looked up the Rotifeast page and I'm not sure if the rotifers are actually alive. They call it a preserved product, that leads me to believe that they aren't alive. Also, the fact that it can be stored would seem to indicate that they aren't alive as the rotifers would quickly go through whatever food source was in the bottle and crash. That's not to say that it's not a good food source, just that I don't think you could start a culture with it. http://www.reefnutrition.com/rotifeast.html
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:42 PM
( permalink)
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:54 PM
( permalink)
Are they laying on the smooth side of the tiles? Awesome!
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:54 PM
( permalink)
Well I'm down to about 10 fry. I think the RotiFeast was just a little too late for some of them. We'll see if the rest hold on. I also noticed some swarms of pods in the tank so they should be reproduce and makign baby pods for the fry to eat. I also noticed that the fry do seem to go after the GP as well. The realy bad news is that the clutch that was laid last night by my calculations will hatch on Thursday night. So that batch is going to be a lost cause as well since I'll be leaving Thursday for the conference. If I remove the eggs now will that make them lay sooner? Like when a lion looses it's cubs?
Chad Penney - MBI Council Agis quod Adis
|
|
Re:Breeding Journal: Amphiprion clarkii
Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:16 PM
( permalink)
You could remove the tile/eggs before you leave on Thurs and put them into a larval tank with phyto and rots. Might not work but then again, it might. As far as removing the eggs now to make them spawn sooner, I don't think it will make much of a difference other than a day or so. Usually when they get into a cycle they stick with it unless they are stressed. Stress will slow them down rather than speed them up. Since your pair spawned so quickly they probably aren't too bothered by stress.
|
|
|