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Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni) Pr 1 V3.0
Sunday, February 5, 2012 11:44 AM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet General Species: Pterapogon kauderni Social Structure: Pair. Size of Individuals: 2 1/2" total length (inc finnage) Age of Individuals: Wild collected as small adults May or June 2011. Date added to Tank: Quarantined for a couple weeks. Female added to broodstock system 01/24/12. Male #1 removed 07/18/12, male #2 added. Male #2 removed 05/26/13, male #3 added. Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: 20 gallons (24x12x20"). Plumbed into 165 gallon system. Substrate Details: Light dusting of coarse sand. Filtration Details: Central filtration via sump. Filter sock, bioballs, EuroReef RS-180 skimmer. Air stone in each tank. Water Changes: 50 gallons changed once per week. Nitrate usually 60-80 ppm. Water Temperature: 80F Lighting: 14,000K LED strip Lighting Cycle: 14 hours light, 10 hours dark. Other Tank Inhabitants: Two hermit crabs. Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: Will only accept frozen foods. Mainly homemade mash with some PE Mysis SFB Spirulina Brine Shrimp for variation. Feeding Schedule: 2-3x per day. Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: Bred for previous owner 3 times. Second-hand information. Spawn Time of Day: Afternoon or early evening. Dates of Consecutive Spawns: 03/17/12 evening (swallowed on day 2). Male #1 04/04/12 afternoon (swallowed on day 2). Male #1 04/25/12 afternoon (swallowed on day 3).* Male #1 05/18/12 afternoon (stripped on same day). Male #1 06/07/12 afternoon (stripped on same day). Male #1 07/17/12 afternoon (swallowed on day 2). Male #1 Male #2 failed to reproduce (07/18/12 to 05/26/13). 06/17/13 just after lights out. Male #3 Courtship Details: Female becomes obviously gravid. They won't be interested in food when they are ready to spawn. They stick very close to each other, almost touching. Then the female starts vibrating next to male for several seconds with their tail fins touching/intertwined, then swims backwards around his tail to his other side, and vibrates on that side. Male looks like he is stretching his jaw and flaring the lower part of his gills. They do a lot of circling. As the eggs are laid they stick to the female's vent in a bundle and the male does "drive-by" fertilizations. When the spawning is over the male gulps the eggs into his mouth in one big gulp. Egg Size: Not measured Egg Color: Orange-pink Egg Count: Unable to count while in mouth. Past experiences have produced as many as 60 larvae in one hatch. May 18th count is about 38 eggs. Hatch Details Hatch Date: Hatch Time of Day: # Days after Spawn: Larvae Description: Larval Tank Details Temperature: Size of Larval Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Larval Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: Days after Hatch: Date of Settlement End: Description of Fry: Miniature versions of their parents. Very cute!
Grow-Out Tank Details Temperature: Size of Grow-Out Tank: Substrate Details: Other Tank Decor: Filtration Details: Lighting: Lighting Cycle: Water Changes: Size at Transfer: Age at Transfer: Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: Feeding Schedule: Additional Information No luck with artificial incubation. 07/18/12. New pair formed. Original male removed, new young male introduced.
05/26/13. New pair formed. Male #2 removed, male #3 introduced. Male #3 is from the same wild collection as male #2.
<message edited by EasterEggs on Monday, June 17, 2013 11:13 PM>
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Sunday, February 5, 2012 11:46 AM
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 Here a video of their pre-spawning behavior. The female is the one vibrating and also has the bigger white patch on her nose. If you look close you can see her plump belly:
<message edited by EasterEggs on Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:34 PM>
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Sunday, February 5, 2012 11:47 AM
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The pair is courting very heavily today. I will be surprised if they don't spawn today. The female is obviously gravid, neither are interested in eating. They better spawn today now that I made this journal! 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Monday, February 6, 2012 6:28 PM
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The little turds haven't spawned yet. I'm surprised. They both ate well yesterday, but only the male ate today.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:59 AM
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The female seemed to re-absorb the eggs (is that possible?) just a few days after that video. Last weekend they had some lovers quarrel and the male ended up with a broken dorsal (that has now shed right off), and the female had her ventral fins torn up a bit. Not sure what happened there.
The female slowly "flashes" her base color from dark shaded to white/silver...sometimes she is overall pale. She will do this shadowing/darkening over about 3-4 seconds, and will brighten back up in the same amount of time. Not sure what that's all about either.
The female eats with gusto consuming about 4-5 PE Mysis (the only thing they will eat) twice per day, where the male will only eat 1-2 once or twice per day. She begs for food twice per day, he never begs. Neither are interested in eating more than twice per day.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:11 PM
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Still no action. *grumble*
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, March 17, 2012 7:40 PM
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Yes!! St Patrick's Day spawnage! Finally some excitement in the fish room!  In the last couple weeks I found that Banggai Cardinals LOVE frozen Brine Shrimp and will absolutely gorge themselves. Keeping in mind frozen BS are not the most nutritious food, I have been feeding them frozen BS soaked in Selcon and Kent Garlic once every 3 days or so which they eat until their bellies are bulging. The only other thing they eat are PE Mysis, but they won't eat nearly as much. I'm not sure if these engorgement feeding are helping at all, but I'm going to keep them up. Just this morning they got a big feeding of BS, so I'm happy that the male has a good full belly. I siphoned the tank bottoms today around 10 am, I'm surprised this didn't postpone their spawning activities. I found the male with eggs at about 7:15 pm. Here's the male with his mouth full, the female still has a few eggs stuck to her vent. The photo is grainy because the tank is dimly lit so I have to "brighten" the photo before posting. 
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:10 PM
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Sweet!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:16 PM
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Congrats! My Picassos spawned today too.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:40 AM
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Congrats to you too Tal! I'm hoping some "horny hormones" in the water now might trigger someone else to spawn. HAHAHA. The female Orchid looks like she's working on being gravid, so maybe they will get their funk on soon too.
The male's mouth doesn't look as full this morning, but his belly is quite round. He may be eating the eggs. He's pretty skittish so this doesn't surprise me, but one day? Seriously?! Jeez, I hope he gets in the habit of holding them longer than a few days. I don't like tumbling eggs...
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:14 AM
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The little bugger ate lastnight (didn't eat in the morning though), so he barely made 2 days holding. I hope he gets better than that! When I bought this pair I understood that they produced viable offspring 3 times in a reef tank.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Wednesday, April 4, 2012 5:09 PM
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Had another spawn today (18 days after the last one), his much is much fuller than last time. Hopefully he can resist the taste a little longer this time!
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:07 PM
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He has already swallowed most of the eggs. I will bet he will be eating again by tomorrow night. He will get to try a third batch, and if he doesn't make any progress I will pull the 4th batch on the first day (oh fun).
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, May 5, 2012 10:02 AM
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So it looks like this male isn't up to the duty of incubating the eggs. They spawned a third time while I was in Kauai and he was eating again on the 3rd day. I will be stripping the eggs from him as soon as I see them on the next spawn and attempting artificial incubation. I've had limited success with AI in the past, so any tips or links to successful designs would be appreciated.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, May 5, 2012 11:51 PM
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Out of curiosity, what is the age of the pair?
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:27 AM
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 Originally Posted by Caesra Out of curiosity, what is the age of the pair? I have this info in the data sheet.  This is second-hand information though. They have bred now 6 times that I know of. The first 3 were with a different person, and I have no idea if he held the eggs on those spawns.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:04 PM
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Spawned May 18th afternoon. I stripped about 38 eggs to artificially incubate them as documented in the thread " Adventures with Artificial Incubation for Banggai Cardinals". I decided to make a new thread on that topic, and will continue to update this thread as actual progress is made.
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:38 PM
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After repeated, extremely poor incubation the original male was removed and replaced with a new young male 07/18/12. Original male always seemed bored by the female, and it was always the female doing the majority of courtship. The new male is very feisty, and very intent with the female.
<message edited by EasterEggs on Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:39 PM>
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:09 AM
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Any new updates? Congratulations on getting this far at least
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Re:Breeding Journal, Species: Banggai Cardinal (Pterapogon kauderni)
Friday, April 19, 2013 10:25 PM
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The female and the new male have not spawned. I will be replacing the new male with a new, new male.
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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