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The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, March 18, 2012 6:53 PM
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When we moved last year one of the things that moved me to purchase the house was the 2 story barn that was in the back yard of the house. Here is the picture of the house  I immediately thought that I could build a pretty extensive breeding room in the barn. When I got things reset back up however, I rejected the idea since it didn't have running water to it and it didn't want to walk the 40ft out to it in the winter. Now that spring has come. I have renewed my interesting in turning this into a breeding space Here a couple of other pics of the space. Downstairs from garage door looking in  Upstairs picture (I am not planning on using this part for fish) 
<message edited by mhowe9 on Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:05 PM>
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:04 PM
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Alright, here is the brass tacks. Heating and Cooling: First of all, lets say that the room will be insulated in the floor and the ceiling. I will also wall behind the garage door. The only access point into the bard will be from the door on the side. I will also need to replace the side door since it rather old and worn. Here is a pic  The room will be heated by a space heater of some sort and I will install and Air Conditioner in the room. There will also be a ceiling fan installed in the room. The room is a little over 300 sq ft. so it should be fine to heat and cool this way. Humidity Contol The plan here is to run a bathroom fan that is controlled with a humidistat Water and water storage I don't plan on running any plumbing out to the barn. The barn sits on a lower elevation than the rest of the house. It would be pretty difficult to get water and sewer out to the barn. I will have a hose that I will run from the house to the barn. I plan on getting a rather large water storage container so that I won't have to use the hose that often.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, March 18, 2012 8:29 PM
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Mike- You could actually use that lower elevation to your advantage and run a semi-permanent waterline. Put a solenoid valve at the house and a switch in the barn. When you want water flip the switch to "enable" your water and use as normal. Key is in winter to turn switch off and allow water to flow in sink until the line is drained and will not freeze. Bury the line just enough so you don't have to move it to mow.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:26 PM
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 8:22 AM
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You could put a lot of fish out there. I am green with jealosy. The hard part will not be getting the water in, it will be getting the water out. Is there any kind of drain nearby?
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 8:51 AM
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The water out deal is exactly the sticking point I am having with my proposed building. Are you on city sewage where if you really got serious you could tap into it?
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 9:09 AM
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I also think you should use the 2nd story for a culture and microscope lab. Great opportunity to add skylights to provide natural sunlight to phyto cultures which was recommended to me for my layout. You could even put an office with a nice soft chair and big screen tv. If you add water and sewage you could also put a bathroom. Get a fridge for "pops" and food and you won't ever have to leave Camelot! 
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 9:48 AM
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Why does that sound good to me?
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 9:51 AM
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Awesome Mike! Looks like a lot of work, but it will pay off in the long run!
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 12:56 PM
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My answer for water removal isn't a very good one. I am going to drain the water change water to an area of weeds behind the barn. My plan is to water change about every 2 months or so. Installing full plumbing would be a massive and expensive undertaking that I am not prepared to do. As for the upstairs, I was thinking of some sort of office or something upstairs. That project will have to be for another year. Also, I would want to put some sort of reinforcement it I wanted to do anything of substantial weight up there.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 2:18 PM
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Your area of weeds will soon become an area of mud, since you would be "salting the earth". Nothing will then grow there, and you could have erosion problems. Any other ideas? Is there a drain or a street downhill from the barn that you could divert the water to?
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 2:24 PM
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There really isn't any good place to put it
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 2:38 PM
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Can you carry buckets, or pump it uphill to your house drain?
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 2:45 PM
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It will take a decent volume of water for it to kill off everything. I used to dump all my water change 5g buckets in one area and it took a lot for the salt to take effect. If you really only do it every couple months and you run maybe your RO waste water on it to dilute I am going to say you will be ok. If you find yourself dumping large volumes more frequently or daily small changes it may be a problem. I would advise against running it down a road drain or anything. The salt will leave a stain and others may get upset. If you are ok with the whole dumping waste water into a garden and eating the produce you could plant asparagus in the area and the salt will be fine. When I was a kid part of my job was to salt an asparagus bed. Apparently it's salt tolerant and fish waste is also an excellent fertilizer I have heard. So more water changes equal no weeding and a great crop!
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 4:17 PM
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 Originally Posted by KathyL
Your area of weeds will soon become an area of mud, since you would be "salting the earth". Nothing will then grow there, and you could have erosion problems. Any other ideas? Is there a drain or a street downhill from the barn that you could divert the water to?
Depending on how ambitious I am feeling I dump between 50-150g of saltwater a week into my back yard and you wouldn't know the difference. I hear a lot of people say it will kill the grass but I have been dumping my water changes from the clownhouse for almost 4 years now.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 7:40 PM
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You need to talk to David Durr...
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 9:04 PM
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It is kind of like the clownhouse on steroids
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 10:48 PM
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Kathy is right.In the old times,salt was spread over the fields of the enemy,to ruin them for good.  You could bury a garbage can or fill an outside wading pool.When they get full,you must pump the water to your drain.
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Monday, March 19, 2012 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by luis a m Kathy is right.In the old times,salt was spread over the fields of the enemy,to ruin them for good. You could bury a garbage can or fill an outside wading pool.When they get full,you must pump the water to your drain. There might be local ordinances against that too. If I recall, Trop had some issues with SW disposal. Much higher volume than you're talking but...
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Re:The "Breeding Barn Build"
Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:32 AM
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I don't think on the hobbyist level the volume of saltwater in a city drain is any kind of problem. If there was a well nearby, it might be, though. I am no expert on these kinds of things.
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