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Problems with new pairs
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:47 AM
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Hello everyone, I´m new here and hope I can lern from you and hopefully I can offer some of my short experience. I have a few new pair that started spawning 1/2 month ago. I do not collect fist batches because there are not many eggs and quality is not the best. 2 weeks ago I tried to start breeding them and I found new problems... pair #1: Maroons One of them is large with dark colour and the other is medium with bright colours. I´ve bought both of them from reef hobbists. Egg batches are getting bigger but they do not develop, probably infertile. I gues they are both female or the large one is very old and can´t breed anymore. Pair #2: Picassos One large but not old and the other medium. Last batch was small but developed well (around 30/40 eggs). All of them died the first night. I gues I should improve parents nutrition. i added an auto feeder to feed them while I´m not home. What do you think? Any advaise is well received!! Regards, Julio
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:24 AM
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I have no experience with maroons but the darkening is normal for females as they age. My guess would be an infertile male. Can you try to source another one? Pairing is not easy but can be done. Is there any way you can examine the eggs under a microscope after the spawnig event? Perhaps the eggs are fertilized but something else is happening to the eggs. If not, any better description of "not developing" (color, fungus, being ate, etc)? On the percs - Broodstock nutrition is important but there could be many reasons they died the first night. Can you please provide details on your hatching/rearing protocol?
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Wednesday, November 6, 2013 12:47 PM
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Maroons: The egs look orange the first day bus after a few days they keep being orange but not that strong and they look like empty. When parents oxigenate them they move more than a regular egg (thats why I say they are empty). Percs: They lay on a pot. I take it out of the aquarium on hatch night and put them in a 5 gal aquarium with slow water flow. After a few hours I take the pot out and reduce the air flow. At this point larvae is still alive. I do the same with ocellaris without problems. I´ve found that a hight flow during first night kills larvae. Thanks!
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Friday, November 15, 2013 1:13 PM
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Picasso laid a new batch much bigger than the previous ones. Auto feeder definetly helped a lot. Maroons keep laing egg that do no develop. I´m trying to find a new fish to replace the male because the third I have is very small for the female (2" V 4/5" females).
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Friday, November 15, 2013 7:32 PM
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If the third is old enough to be sexually mature the size difference will likely help you. My impression is that a large size difference is normal for maroons.
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:37 AM
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Yes, you are right. It seems that a large difference makes the male unwilling to fight  . I´ll change the male this weekend because during the work days i can´t see if there are heavy figting or not. I think today will hatch Picasso eggs. I´ll put them with an ocellaris batch to reduce maintenance... Julio
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Monday, November 25, 2013 6:28 PM
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what temperature is you water ? what feeds are you offering ? Are either of the fish obese. I purchased a pair of ocellaris that where in a lfs for quite sometime, they spawned only 2 times . They ate one small spawn and abandoned the second. They are large and fat from living the good life all they ate where pellet feeds when I brought them home. they now eat all feeds.I have them 3 years now and they are too fat to spawn.
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:43 AM
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Water is at 28 C and I´m feeding NLS pellets, Ocean nutrition flakes and once a day o every other day home made frozen food. They spawn but the eggs do not develop. I´ll change the male. I was going to change it this weekend but I´ll wait until january to give them a chance and because I´m going on vacation on december
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:41 PM
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Well, it seems that holidays were goog for me and the fish! A few days ago I realized that Maroons were taking care of eggs but this time there were eyes developing! They just needed time. Picasos also had a larger batch of eggs! I could´t raise any of them because I was short of phito and rotis.... Looking forward to raise them!!
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Thursday, January 23, 2014 3:32 PM
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Re:Problems with new pairs
Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:34 AM
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Yes JulioCC, I too have learned that if you don't have the phyto and rotifers going good, you're just wasting your time. I should have known better, but I just tried to raise a batch without any phyto and very few rots. I now have plenty of both, but only 3 fish left to feed. Another batch of eggs got dropped today, so hopefully next week I will have better chances.
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