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Breeding Journal, Species: Corythoichthys intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:20 AM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet
This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place or changes are made to your system General Species: Corythoichthys intestinalis (Indonesian) AKA Dragonface Pipefish Social Structure: Group with males and females, peaceful Size of Individuals: about2-3 inches in length Age of Individuals: unknown Date added to Tank: 4/5/2013 Broodstock Tank Details Size of Tank: 10 gallon Substrate Details: sand, 1/2 inch deep Filtration Details: sponge filter Water Changes: 10% weekly Water Temperature: 75F Lighting: moderate, fluorescent Lighting Cycle: 14 day, 10 night Other Tank Inhabitants: none Broodstock Feeding Details Food Types: live copepods to start, and I'll try to wean them to frozen cyclops or other frozen foods Feeding Schedule: continuous copepods, then twice a day frozen Spawning Details Date of First Spawn: unknown Spawn Time of Day: unknown Dates of Consecutive Spawns: unknnown Courtship Details: unknown Egg Size: unknown Egg Color: unknown Egg Count: unknown, at least 30 Hatch Details Hatch Date: 1/30/14 for Crooktail Hatch Time of Day: before noon # Days after Spawn: unknown Larvae Description: Tiny transparent 1/2 inch threads with heads and prominent eyes. Nearly invisible without a good light. Consecutive Hatch Dates: unknown Larval Tank Details Temperature: 75F Size of Larval Tank: 2 gallon plastic fishbowl in a 15 gallon glass tank water bath Substrate Details: bare Other Tank Decor: rigid airline at 3 o'clock position to create kreisel water movement Filtration Details: none , except naturally occuring bacteria Lighting: ambient LED Lighting Cycle: brighter during daylight, but still lit from neighboring larval tanks overnight until about the second week Water Changes: about 10 % every other day, with siphoning of the bottom crud. If I didn't have rotifers in there, I might not need to do so much cleanup. Larval Feeding Details Food Types: to begin: 1/2 gallon of my best Parvocalanus culture filtered, live isochrysis: 250 ml of a dark coffee culture. 2 days later, another half gallon of a different jar of pods, this one containing Parvocalanus and Apocyclops panamensis, filtered and added. Later, rotifers appeared, probably from the store the pipes came from, and what we think is Euterpina acufrons, a harpacticoid that thrives in live phytoplankton. It seems to have been contaminating my Parvo cultures. Feeding Schedule: none. pods and phyto added as needed. Metamorphosis/Settlement Date of Settlement Start: 2/11/2014 Days after Hatch: 12 Date of Settlement End: 2/22/2014 Description of Fry: At the settlement start date, they looked to be twice as long as they were when they hatched, but still very thin and threadlike. There is some pigmentation, with a pattern of reflective spots. Settlement is noticed when they have color, and appear to feed off of the bottom and sides of the tank. the one survivor appears to be 3-4 times as long as the day he was born. His body is more filled out and I can find him and see him without a strong flashlight.
Grow-Out Tank Details plan Temperature: 75F Size of Grow-Out Tank: 10 gallons Substrate Details: sand, 1/2 inch Other Tank Decor: maybe a plastic plant Filtration Details: either sponge filter or a power filter. Power may be best as it can function as a refugium for pods. Lighting: ambient Lighting Cycle: 14 day, 10 night Water Changes: 10% weekly Size at Transfer: 3 inches? Age at Transfer: probably 30 days or so, or whenever I can get the tank ready and the fish acclimated. Grow-Out Feeding Details Food Types: live copepods, and perhaps NHBBS until I can wean to frozen foods Feeding Schedule: continuous until weaned, then twice a day with frozen or if eating pellets, 4 times a day Additional Information These babies were found in the shipping bag when the pipefish arrived at a LFS. Crooktail survived 6.5 weeks. Now that I have brood stock, if they will spawn…. I can try again(No Pictures or Videos in the Section Please) Miscellaneous Information: You will be required to provide photographic or video evidence in this thread of each event submitted for the MBI Program.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:21 AM
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1/30/14 Wow, what an exciting day in the fish room. I got a call this afternoon from my LFS that they had some pipefish delivered and there were a lot of fry in the shipping bag. They wanted to let me have some! I fought the rush hour traffic to make it to the LFS before they closed. They had drip acclimated them to clean up their shipping water and warm them up. They also added some rotifers. I got them home, only to find half the basement dark and quiet....Unemployed husband said that there was a power flicker earlier in the day. The GFCI circuit breaker had tripped over the larval tanks and one of the broodstock systems. Temperatures were down to 69-70F. Nobody seemed dead, though , so I got the juice flowing again, and made sure the heaters were still working. I got a tank ready as a waterbath with heater , for a 2 gallon plastic fishbowl kreisel, airline, water, etc. Added 250 ml of my coffee colored iso, and filtered the culture water out of half a gallon of my best parvo culture, adding the pods to the kreisel. I gently transferred the tiny pipes into the kreisel using a cut off plastic transfer pipet in order to transfer as few rotifers as possible. There were 10 pipes in the bag. These pipes are so tiny and transparent. Love their tiny heads! While doing all this, I re-read Jim Welsh's journal thread on the bluestripes. Very helpful. So glad he's done them and has documented them so well. I also emailed him and he replied promptly with helpful advice. Now we wait and see. Or not see. (Aside: I've got a batch of neon gobies that i put into a glass tank as opposed to the BRT, because I wanted to see them. Still can't see them without a strong light, and I now think it was better in the BRT. When I do see them, it seems that there are several more than last time (1survivor and it just got its blue at 34 days) Generally, the ones that make it past one week tend to do well. It would be nice to be able to raise lots of these gobies. ) Now that the pipes are in the Kreisel and in a water bath, the only time I see them is if they float near the surface. I sure hope they grow fast... Bloom, parvos, bloom!
<message edited by KathyL on Saturday, February 1, 2014 3:04 PM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:27 AM
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:58 PM
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Using my phone and a flashlight:  
<message edited by KathyL on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:38 PM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:00 PM
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You will have to use your imagination. 
<message edited by KathyL on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:39 PM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:03 PM
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My McGyver larval setup: 
<message edited by KathyL on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 9:40 PM>
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 3:11 PM
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The pipes are two days old today, and I just counted 7 of them. I only added 10 to start, and I can't see them too easily, so 3 more could be hiding. I added the copepod contents of half of one of my gallon copepod jars. It had some Apocyclops panamensis mixed in with the Parvocalanus crassirostris, so I hope its OK… I wonder what the starvation date is for them. Anyone know?
It appears that the Iso has not been consumed, or it is being consumed at the same rate that it is reproducing, so I didn't add more.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 5:58 PM
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Cool! Good luck! I love these guys! My LFS has them cruising around their large, shallow, top-view coral tank and they are awesome in there!
Don't let fear and common sense stop you! =]
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:50 PM
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At day 2 most of them are no longer transparent. They seem to be darkening and seem a bit longer, if that is possible. In order to see them, I have to cram my head between the tank and the stand that holds up the top row of tanks, and, with my close-up glasses and a flashlight, peer into the top of the fishbowl. Sucks getting old.
:-)
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Monday, February 3, 2014 12:02 AM
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Could only find 4 today, but I confirmed that they are the intestinalis species.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Monday, February 3, 2014 12:31 PM
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Only one today.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Monday, February 3, 2014 10:02 PM
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That's often how it goes. While I understand the need for the water bath, it really does help to be able to see the fry, and observe how they are swimming, whether they are snicking, whether they are being drawn too much to the top or the sides due to lighting, etc. Flying blind like you are really makes it much more challenging.
Do you expect to get more fry to attempt soon?
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Monday, February 3, 2014 10:51 PM
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Just move the bowl to the side of the glass..t.hen you can see into it. I clamped mine to the tank's side for the Harlequins...
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:51 AM
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Matt, I can't as the flat side is too wide for the short side of the tank, the only one visible. The long side of the tank is sandwiched between two other tanks. Guess I need another setup, but this was done on the fly with no advance warning.
I wish it was summer, because then I would need no supplemental heating at all.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:52 AM
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Yesterday evening, I looked again, and there were actually two! Hope springs...
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:56 AM
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I do want to try again. I shall have to go to the expense and trouble of obtaining broodstock and keeping them happy and well fed enough to breed. I suspect that part of my trouble was having the babies born in the shipping bag with its probable ammonia, and known issue with cold temperatures. Then all the handling before they could get put into their larval kreisel. If I controlled the transit better, I might have a better result. Time to get the copepods ramped up.
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:23 AM
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Did you see them alive this morning? Every time I see this thread I think, "Go, Kathy, go!"
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:45 PM
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Thanks Shannon. This evening there were 3, so I am not as hopeless as previously thought.
However it seems I've completely lost 2 batches of neon gobies for no apparant reason. :-(
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:13 AM
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I can't even get neons to pair up  Do they three alive look like they are eating anything? Have you found any information about the starvation timepoint for them? How did you go about confirming the species for these? I have had a couple in the past but never got as far as actually IDing them 100%...
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Re: Breeding Journal, Species:Corythoichthys haematopterus (Western Pacific) or intestinalis (Indonesian)
Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:08 AM
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They do look like they are eating and growing, though it is hard to document when there are so few. I can't risk putting one under the scope for pictures. Jim Welsh says that he seemed to loose some at 6 days, which is today, so we'll see tomorrow.
It didn't look like there was anything approaching a yolk sack on the babies. They are amazingly thread like.
I can't really confirm the species, since there are two similar ones, but I just asked the store owner who shot back intestinalis from Indonesia. He could be wrong, but its all I have to go on at the moment.
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